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Posted May 18, '13 at 4:25am

Kasic

Kasic

5,750 posts

Read the Quran everything is written in there,ask any muslim Allah is the one who gives babys


Where in the process of conception is God involved? Yes, I know you think he does, you don't need to repeat yourself. But where? When the ovaries and subsequent eggs are developed in-utero? When the semen is produced inside the testicles? When it's combined with an ovum? At the first cell division? After the heart starts beating? After the brain starts working? After the lungs are developed? After the baby is born?

Because those are all biological processes and I see God nowhere in them.
 

Posted May 18, '13 at 4:35am

mbbs112

mbbs112

194 posts

If you want to prove your religion, you need to find evidence. The guy who created this thread is now a true believer, okay Kasic you want evidence i have evidence like i said read any Islamic book or the Quran and you'll see that Allah has written the revelations as there are many rules such as no alcohol no adultery no quarrels or other bad things are forbidden in Islam,a lot of things which atheists like you do which results in accidents for example God wrote not to drink alcohol,they get in a car accident,not to abuse women they get arrested by the police so as you think that a human wrote this thats not possible because nobody would be that wise or just as Allah is for he even wrote revelations about things that will happen and they indeed happen for example,you might know about Hazrat Nuh who built the Ark at the command of Allah and warned him that a great storm is coming and even told the unbelievers but they didn't believe so they died and the believers were saved.Many of the things which are forbidden by Allah is happening often today so on the judgment day they will be punished,i hope you too will stop being a atheist

 

Posted May 18, '13 at 4:53am

Kasic

Kasic

5,750 posts

The guy who created this thread is now a true believer,


I'm not sure what happened with Pyro and his beliefs, but they're irrelevant.

By the numbers, more theists become atheists than atheists become theists. They still have absolutely nothing to do with whether what they believe is right.

Kasic you want evidence i have evidence like i said read any Islamic book or the Quran


Ahem. "This is called circular reasoning, wherein you use the source to prove itself. It is not a valid form of argument. Scripture does not constitute as proof because that is where you claims are coming from."

there are many rules such as no alcohol no adultery no quarrels or other bad things are forbidden in Islam,


What's wrong with alcohol?

example God wrote not to drink alcohol,they get in a car accident,


Note that it's against the law to drink and drive. It's also stupid. Has nothing to do with God's validity.

not to abuse women they get arrested by the police


Ah, here's a fun point. Moral stages of development.

Is it wrong to abuse women because you'll get in trouble, or do you get in trouble for abusing women because it's wrong? Your argument implies the first. Which is entirely wrong. You shouldn't abuse anyone, not just women, regardless of whether you get arrested afterwards.

so as you think that a human wrote this thats not possible because nobody would be that wise


Uh, it really doesn't take a whole lot of thought to realize hurting people = they dislike you = conflict = more hurt = bad.

Is not proof for any gods, much less your particular one.

you might know about Hazrat Nuh who built the Ark at the command of Allah and warned him that a great storm is coming and even told the unbelievers but they didn't believe so they died and the believers were saved.


Noah's Ark...wonderful. Here's a list of how ridiculous it is.

1) Two of every animal in the world could not fit on the specified boat, much less with room for Noah's family, food for all the animals, or ways to remove waste.
2) No species can come from two of any kind. Genetic pool limitation again.
3) Amount of water on earth cannot cover all landmass.
4) Rate of rainfall to cover earth in 40 days would be so torretial the boat would sink.
5) Where did all the water come from?
6) Where did all the water go?
7) How did all the animals get to the ark?

Then we get into the moral implications. Noah's flood would have meant the death of unborn babies. Somewhere out there were pregnant women, simply by statistics. I thought you said any type of abortion was wrong?

so on the judgment day they will be punished,


I'll keep my eyes peeled. Nothing yet, maybe in the next twenty centuries.
 

Posted May 18, '13 at 5:27am

Kasic

Kasic

5,750 posts

What about you keep getting bad things in life anyway im sure that God has alot of surprises in Heaven


Does getting a reward justify suffering?

If I beat up my friend and send them to the hospital, but later buy them a car, does that make my earlier actions correct?

and anyway im hoping to get away from this earth from these sufferings


How about we work on making earth a better place, instead of pinning everything on some supposed reward after you die?

and anyway a guy said on the first page that God set humanity on a tree or something like that when its supposed to get tempted to do bad things by the devil,


The long and short of it is that God is entirely responsible for everything wrong with the universe, seeing as he is omnipotent and knowingly created things which would disobey him when he wanted them to worship him.

There was a tree which God said was forbidden for Adam or eve to eat but the Devil tempted them into tasting it


And...we stop here. Why did God make the Forbidden Tree, if it was Forbidden and he did not want them to eat from it? Exactly how does that make any sense?

he will accept them on Heaven after they died but if they followed the Devil they will be tortured in Hell for eternity


Do you believe it is moral for someone to be punished eternally for a finite crime?

do you still want to worship Satan or God. Your Choice


I choose E. None of the above.

A being who creates others for the sole purpose of worshiping him is a narcissistic ******* anyways.

Jinn's were created to worship God too


Yippee, more praise. Why does God need to be worshiped?

Beats getting tortured in hell for eternity!!!


Completely ignoring how monstrous God is to allow eternal suffering of people he created.
 

Posted May 24, '13 at 3:36pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,485 posts

never heard before about Theism
what is it ?

Theism is belief in a deity. Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity.
 

Posted May 24, '13 at 4:05pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,414 posts

Knight

A deity is a god. Theists are people that believe in one or several gods.

 

Posted May 26, '13 at 7:09pm

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

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Posted May 26, '13 at 9:00pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,791 posts

Knight

this sums up my feelings as an atheist quite well.


Pretty much how I see things.

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Posted Jun 6, '13 at 12:50pm

mbbs112

mbbs112

194 posts

ah leave it its just useless to talk with atheists anyway ill just leave this topic and anyway there are a lot of reasons God gives punishments,humans would be led astray,be bad and disobey God as first Adam and Eve disobeyed God because of the devil they were thrown out of heaven for their disobedience so they asked for Allah to pardon them which he did but he told them to do good deeds all their life and they will go to heaven when they died but if they followed the devil then they would burn in hell and if Allah wouldn't be so strict then everything g would be chaos so thats why he sent the Quran with rules and guidelines to lead a pure and simple life

 

Posted Jun 6, '13 at 12:53pm

mbbs112

mbbs112

194 posts

and there are other bad things which Allah forbid which are the problems of everyday for example,no gambling and strive to earn your livelihood and Allah has forbidden all unlawful means of livelihood so beat that ! kasic!

 
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