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Posted Jun 6, '13 at 4:35pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

@mbbs112

So basically what you're saying is this all powerful God made us incapable of intrinsically doing what he wants us to, so he has to be strict?

 

Posted Jun 6, '13 at 5:04pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

Pretty much how I see things.
This sort of proves God. NO WAY this happens naturally.

 

Posted Jun 6, '13 at 5:07pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,838 posts

This sort of proves God. NO WAY this happens naturally.


How does this prove god in any way?

And yes..it did happen naturally. If you took the time to listen, you might understand
 

Posted Jun 6, '13 at 6:05pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,750 posts

ill just leave this topic


Then why should I even bother to respond? I will, though.

God gives punishments


First philosophical point of interest.

Why is it that God gets to punish us? What gives him that right? Now, I know what you're going to say. "He's better than we are." "He's perfect." "He created us." "He's holy." Etc.

Except, none of those give him ANY right to eternally torture people. None. At all. In any way. Nada. Even if you believe he is "better" than we are, that does not make it okay for him to commit heinous acts and say they're good because he's perfect. This is textbook narcissism. Look it up.

humans would be led astray,be bad and disobey God as first Adam and Eve disobeyed God because of the devil they were thrown out of heaven


Because he created us able to be led astray, by things he created to lead us astray. This is like arguing a ball is at fault because it rolls down a hill, after you make gravity and place it on the downward slope. It's gonna happen.

If God is truly omniscient, omnipotent, and benevolent, he would NEVER have created the Tree in the Garden of Eden and let Satan into the garden. Why would he? This is the equivalent of leaving a 2 year old alone with a loaded gun and a psychotic older brother. The two year old has no conceptual understanding of right and wrong and can easily be persuaded by older brother to pick up the gun and pull the trigger while pointing it at oneself, even if mommy/daddy said not to.

Adam and Eve -literally- had no knowledge of good and evil, because they had not yet eaten the fruit. From the very start, the whole idea of a benevolent God is completely torn up irreparably.

Allah to pardon them which he did but he told them to do good deeds all their life and they will go to heaven when they died but if they followed the devil then they would burn in hell and if Allah


Narcissism. Look it up.

thats why he sent the Quran with rules and guidelines to lead a pure and simple life


Yes, pure and simple. Stone the gays, kill the infidels, hide your women and keep them as breeding stock, punish them if they're raped, etc.

I know most Muslims don't think that way, but Sharia law is quite frankly disgusting even so. It is in no way moral or just or fair or right. The Qu'ran, Bible, Torah, and every other religious scripture that gives a code to follow is barbaric. It's stuck thousands of years ago, because religion cannot advance, because it's proclaimed to be the absolute truth. And what would you know, dissenters are killed. There's your "good" morals.
 

Posted Jun 6, '13 at 6:07pm

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

2,534 posts

and there are other bad things which Allah forbid which are the problems of everyday for example,no gambling and strive to earn your livelihood and Allah has forbidden all unlawful means of livelihood so beat that ! kasic!


allow me instead.

your god placed the source of the knowledge of good and evil down in the center of the garden, and even let a talking salesman of a snake sit in it. your god then punishes us because we are the consequence of his asinine actions. he then sets practically impossible, conflicting standards for us to live by, and then claims we are free to do as we wish, but then punishes us for excercising freedom. he claims that we have free will, but how can we have free will if he is omniscient? he will know exactly what will happen before it does, so that throws free will out the window.

he is basically saying "you humans will be my playthings, or I will let you roast in my furnace". your god is nothing more than a neurotic, petty, and domineering crybaby who thinks the only way something good can be accomplished is through removing the human element from humanity, thereby turning us into domesticated, blind, and stupid lambs.

that's definitely a "wonderful" god you got there.

-Blade
 

Posted Jun 6, '13 at 7:42pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,791 posts

Knight

Pretty much how I see things.
This sort of proves God. NO WAY this happens naturally.


Wait what? What can in no way happen naturally?

Yes, pure and simple. Stone the gays, kill the infidels, hide your women and keep them as breeding stock, punish them if they're raped, etc.

I know most Muslims don't think that way, but Sharia law is quite frankly disgusting even so. It is in no way moral or just or fair or right.


Yes, even if the followers don't think it's right the text of their religion still contains such things.

These books claiming to provide guidelines for life cover the entire spectrum, as such they do not guide at all. Humans simply choose what they want to follow and what they don't want, and use the text as an excuse. Along with the emotional manipulation that religion employs it's further use is to draw others in to do things they might not otherwise do.
 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 3:56am

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,414 posts

Knight

This sort of proves God. NO WAY this happens naturally.

The only thing it shows is your poor imagination. You see something you don't understand, resign and call it a "god did it".

There are people that don't resign, people that go out (or stay in the office) and try to find out how it happened, how it works. Whether they believe in god or not is non-relevant; if they believe in god, they think they analyse god's creation. If they don't believe in god they think they analyse the world. The result is the same. You have no right to come in and call them wrong, as you were the first to give up.
 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 10:56am

mbbs112

mbbs112

194 posts

i searched on a few websites and lots of people agree that there is a god even famous people like Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein agreed that there has to be a god and ill past a couple of articles which you should read and see for yourself that God exists..

 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 10:57am

mbbs112

mbbs112

194 posts

There are millions of people controlling the traffic on road, sea, and air. Beacons are built. People also build traffic light and radar. Air Traffic Control is built to prevent accident. All vehicles have drivers. Even on airplane there are pilot and co-pilot to make the flight safer. On the ships there are Captain, navigator, and engineers. Yet thousands of accidents happen every year on land, sea, and air. Even though there are many controllers, the accidents still happen.

On the contrary, the Earth, Sun, Moon, Stars, and others always revolve for billions of years without single crash. Most scientists believe that the Earth, Sun, and all of the other planets and moons in the solar system formed about 4.6 billion years ago. For billions of years until now the Earth never bump into the Sun, and the Sun never collides with the Moon. There is no mark, police, nor pilots to drive them. Without God, the Controller of the Universe, none of these would happen. Everything is in order because there is God who controls everything. Allah has put orbit for each of those things. If we really think about it then we will know that God exist.

âHe it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledgeâ [Quran 10:5]

âIt is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbitâ [Quran:40]

 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 10:58am

mbbs112

mbbs112

194 posts

To those arrogant people who deny the existence of God, Allah questions them about His creatures. Who is the creator of sperm and plant? People or God the All Wise Creator?

âHave ye seen that which ye emit?

Do ye create it or are We the creator?â [Quran 56:58-59]

âHave ye seen that which ye cultivate?

Is it ye who foster it, or are We the Fosterer?â [Quran 56:63-64]

âWas it ye who made the tree thereof to grow, or were We the grower?â [Quran 56:72]

 
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