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Posted Jun 8, '13 at 2:30am

mbbs112

mbbs112

192 posts

this is the evidence that Allah exists! These verses came before our time in the 14th century at the time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and the people of this century mostly discovered this in the 17th 18th 19th 20th or 21st century when people back then in the 14th century knew of this since the creator of the world Allah sent the Holy Quran to them and that it would be impossible for a human being to be the Author of the Holy Quran so God exists

 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 2:37am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,823 posts

female bees act as workers for the queen


Could be found out through observation

that male bees mate with the queen


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die after 90 days


Could be found out through observation

explain how lightning is produced


Source?

how it looks under the sea


Could be found out through observation

that we humans didnt evolve at all but originated from Hazrat Adam and Hazrat Hawa.


But you see..that part is wrong...so...
 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 2:38am

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,401 posts

Knight

for example tthat you can see most things with the help of technology but you cant see yourself

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "see yourself", but ,what about mirrors? Or, if you want a more 'extravagant' example. photography.

there is a limit to the human sight

Which is why we build tools and machines to measure what we cannot.

there are many verses in the Quran that explain how lightning is produced

Care to show these verses?

although how is it that they had the Quran which has the answers to everything and yet you guys say that a human was the author of the Quran?

Does it contain anything about handys and satellites? Or even more modern stuff we haven't invented yet? If it does, I might consider this argument.

Many scientists have read the quran and seen that many things that were discovered later on after the 14th century were already written in the Holy Quran such as female bees act as workers for the queen and that male bees mate with the queen and die after 90 days and that how lightning is made and that we humans didnt evolve at all but originated from Hazrat Adam and Hazrat Hawa.

You're implying that people back then were too stupid to find those out for themselves (like the bee thing). That is an insult to your predecessors.
And yes, we did evolve. Just because your book says we didn't doesn't make it true.

Biological science tells us that the earliest form of life was represented by single cell organisms found in water, then these multiplied by splitting themselves. With the course of time, reproduction evolved to become by mating pairs, instead of the archaic forms of splitting or dividing.

Here you basically agree with evolution.

We know that almost all animals except kangaroos (and penguins) walk on four legs.

Sooooooo wrong. Most lifeforms on earth don't even have legs, and those who do usually have multitudes (arthropods). But this is completely ignored in that verse. And since it says they all came from water, how is it it ignores fishes, jellyfishes, echinoderms and all those animals?

However, for Prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings be upon him) and old world humans at the time of revelation (1429 years ago), they did not know that there was an animal which walked on two legs in Australia. Only God knew that and has told us about it, as another piece of evidence that He is the author of the Holy QurĂ¢an, not any human .

Again you're insulting them by saying they were idiots without contact with the rest of the world. And where do you leave room for prosic creativity? No-legs, two-legs and four-legs is like the most intuitive thing to write down, yet it doesn not quite reflect bio-diversity. Therefore men wrote it.

This is exactly what biologists have come up with to explain the beginning of life on Earth.

Sooo wrong again. And way to be recent. Only the bible or the Qu'ran say we came from mud. Actually life most likely originated at hot springs in the deep sea.

This verse gives support to the argument of creating humans through stages of creation, fashioning, and education (2.31).

All these verses are nice stories, but don't prove anything, again.
 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 2:47am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,417 posts

Knight

this is the evidence that Allah exists! These verses came before our time in the 14th century at the time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and the people of this century mostly discovered this in the 17th 18th 19th 20th or 21st century when people back then in the 14th century knew of this since the creator of the world Allah sent the Holy Quran to them and that it would be impossible for a human being to be the Author of the Holy Quran so God exists


A book that is linked not to hard facts and direct evidence, but parables and assertions is not evidence. If it was, then Harry Potter books prove that Hogwarts exist.
 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 6:36am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,787 posts

Knight

this is the evidence that Allah exists! These verses came before our time in the 14th century at the time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and the people of this century mostly discovered this in the 17th 18th 19th 20th or 21st century when people back then in the 14th century knew of this since the creator of the world Allah sent the Holy Quran to them and that it would be impossible for a human being to be the Author of the Holy Quran so God exists


Hey, Science made this interesting discovery. let's take this verse from our holy book that kinda of sort of looks a bit vaguely like it and claim that's what it was saying all along! Or we can just get the science wrong and claim that our fiction fits with what science is saying!

Got any more revealed truthiness to give us?
 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 8:17am

mbbs112

mbbs112

192 posts

Well people back then were like barbaric before the arrival of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) so yeah they were stupid except when The Holy Prophet came they actually found out about things and didnt you see how islam spread and everyone accepted the truth? God is real but you guys are really blind and ignorant to not accept the truth

 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 8:28am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,417 posts

Knight

Well people back then were like barbaric before the arrival of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) so yeah they were stupid except when The Holy Prophet came they actually found out about things and didnt you see how islam spread and everyone accepted the truth? God is real but you guys are really blind and ignorant to not accept the truth


No, everyone accepted the truth? The harsh historical reality was that the two major religions in the region, Christianity and Islam, were often at war with each other, up till today. Even when Islam first sprouted, there was resistance in the Arabian Peninsula to convert, hardly a universal acceptance.

And I reject that incredibly biased and poorly opined judgement. Hosts of civilizations were making great strides in development (Such as the Chinese), prior to the Prophet, and continued to do so, despite not being in contact with the Prophet for centuries thereof.
 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 8:48am

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

4,065 posts

This is exactly what I mean.

 

Posted Jun 9, '13 at 4:53am

mbbs112

mbbs112

192 posts

ya know the mongols whom every nation feared before? They i think conquered lots of land including parts of china and after their leader Genghis Khan died then they headed back to their homeland and converted to islam by the end of the century,tell me why such barbaric and cruel men converted to the peaceful religion islam?

 

Posted Jun 9, '13 at 5:12am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,823 posts

tell me why such barbaric and cruel men converted to the peaceful religion islam?


First..tell me how that matters? Does barbaric men converting to a religion mean that religion is correct? Because if so..you may want to check out jails...If this is the way we are thinking now, then Christianity is right, apparently.
 
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