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trombonne
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With the release of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim looming in the horizon, I thought it appropriate to propose a small question. Which does the Armor community prefer? Morrowind or Oblivion?

I'll admit, I didn't play Oblivion NEARLY as much as I played Morrowind. So, my opinion may be slightly biased, but it seems like I enjoyed Morrowind more. Perhaps it's a slight case of nostalgia, remembering the sleepless nights(both because of staying up all night playing AND the awful nightmares I got as a child.) Whatever the case, Morrowind holds a special place in my heart. It may not have had the graphical capabilities of Oblivion, but Morrowind had a certain charm that made it unique. It redefined TES, changing everything an RPG/Adventure game could be.

For these reasons, my vote would have to be for TES III: Morrowind.

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trombonne
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I completely forgot about the sweet-*** THEME MUSIC. Who didn't get chills when they first popped in the Morrowind disc and the faint sound came out of their speakers? Also, werewolves. 'Nuff said.

And who can forget Creeper? He's a cute bugger

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I had the opposite, I played Oblivion extensively and only a short amount of Morrowind.

I do have to say as thouroughly enjoyable as missing a mudcrab a thoroughly unreasonable amount of times in Morrowind it just couldnt beat TES IV. I do wish they had cloned the armor set up, with seperate peices for everything(except i wish the gloves/boots where pairs in III). Also not being able to beat the main storyline in under 16 minutes is a major boon for IV

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That reminds me of the first time I played Morrowind. I completely neglected the storyline until my character was around level 70. When I finally decided to give it a shot, not only did I completely beast everything, I one hit Dagoth Ur :|

I agree with you, though. The more I think about it, Oblivion's gameplay mechanics were probably more inviting to players. I can't draw a very informed conclusion for the various reasons listed, but it seemed like Oblivion was more... action-oriented? Would I be correct in saying that? Whereas Morrowind was very exploratory. Seeing the map revealed the more I explored gave me a sense of accomplishment when playing Morrowind.

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Note: this turned out to be a very long post. For a quick answer, just read the first paragraph.

Definitely Morrowind. I've played both games a lot, but somewhat ironically, haven't actually finished the main storyline of both. Both have their pros and cons, and I can say I enjoy them both quite a lot, but Morrowind has provided me with a richer, deeper experience in nearly every aspect.

It's early morning here and after a sleepless night my mind is clearly not up to its best, but I'll try to bring up the points that influence my opinion:

Morrowind: I'll start with the thing I love the most about it, and that is the setting and lore. It's quite unlike most other fantasy-themed RPGs out there, and although not entirely original in all its aspects, it brings all those different layers and cultures together very well. You've got the rich and long history of the Dunmer, remains of the Dwemer civilization and their artifacts, the presence of the Empire, the political and religious struggle between all the Great Houses, Empire, Temple and, of course, the Tribunal; living gods. The number of factions present, either joinable or not, is much greater than that of Oblivion. However, what I like the most is the huge amount of lore put into the world - it can be seen in the different styles or architecture and equipment, as well as the rather impressive amount of in-game literature available for those who are willing to take their time with exploring the world. Despite lots of things being "behind the scenes"; not fully present in the game, it feels very much connected.
...there are also much more items, weapons and other equipment of all sorts present in Morrowind than Oblivion. Having choice is always a good thing in my book.
I actually prefer the text-based conversations over voiced dialogue for two reasons - firstly, having these walls of text, although somewhat unrealistic and not fully reminescent of conversations you'd have with people in real life, allows the developers to provide player with much more information of all sorts; telling more about the world and stories taking place in it. Secondly, it makes modding and writing your own quests and stories much easier and resource-demanding. Dialogue added by mods doesn't seem to be out of place.
...Of course, combat as well is an important aspect of both games. The simplified combat of Morrowind can really break the immersion at times, but as long as I view it as an abstraction of combat, instead of a simulation or direct representation of it I don't have much problem with that. Ultimately, character skills having more influence over the outcome than my own reflexes result in a more careful planning and tactical thinking. Every encounter means me weighing out the damages received, resources used and potential gains. There are times when it's better to sneak past and avoid fighting, until I find better means to deal with that particular enemy. Lack of magicka regeneration means it's a resource that requires a bit more long-term planning when spent.

Engine limitations, such as wooden animations and lack of proper hit-detection, absent physics and exploits in AI behavior - such as their inability to use doors to travel from one are to another on their own, as well to interact with the environment in any way both break the immersion and greatly reduce the gameplay possibilities. It's a huge disadvantage, especially now when we have technologically much more advanced games, but apart from some minor things, there's nothing that can be done about it.
The world of Morrowind, despite being rich in lore, has always felt very static - which it actually is. Even after hundreds of hours played, the world looks just the same way as it did at the very first glance. Memories of all the things done and experienced, as well as the general sense of immersion compensate for this, but if their effects suddenly (or gradually) leave me, it turns into what seems a shallow, artificial world and experience (despite the AI routes and added detail to the environments, same thing happens to me in Oblivion at times as well. Here I am hoping that the world will be more dynamic and responsive in Oblivion).

Oblivion: I'm noticeably more tired than I was when starting this post, so it might be lacking any new ideas; at least at this moment.
The setting: when compared to that of Morrowind's, Cyrodiall seems way too ordinary and lacking variety. I've really got nothing against the forests (except for the grass that obscures the view way too much) that are seemingly everywhere - they can be fun to traverse and nice to look at; going hunting in them never really seems to get old for me. Yet, something different every now and then could have helped a lot; providing a temporary change and change of pacing. Playing Morrowind is more like writing a personal story of my character - she's still just a model, and avatar without any personality, but all the experiences and changed of pace: spending time in the dangerous Ashlands or peaceful South mean really different experiences to be had - linked together, they make a story. Oblivion is more playing against the rules that make the world; meta-gaming and not writing a story (Gain X levels; collect full sets of items; get the best armor in the game; clear every dungeon in the area; complete the Thieves guild quest line before moving to the Dark Brotherhood etc.) Most things in Oblivion seem to be built around that artificial metagame.
I wish there were more choices to be made in both games, but Morrowind's faction system that meant I couldn't join all the factions and do all the quests out there added to the immersion. Lack of proper feedback when such choices are made, however, is not a thing I like (it's often not possible to know I've made some other quest incompletable, for example.)
Combat itself feels much more satisfying, but the system is still not flexible and dynamic enough. I think Dark Messiah got it right, but such deadliness in combat, in what is an RPG game, might not be what everyone wants. Oh, and I love the combination of bows, stealth and poisons. Magic helps too, but planning those one-shot kills and executing in a swift manner is most satisfying. To me, that is. I'm the kind of person who almost always ends up playing as a stealth character (Note: it can also make game much too easy at times due to exploits in AI and other issues that break the balance.)

What I enjoy the most in Oblivion is actually playing that metagame. Clearing areas, maximizing profit and developing alchemy and magic combos. Just running through forests (and killing everything that moves with a bow). Exploring dungeons and planning each approach and combat encounter.



Morrowind has more nostalgic value to it for me. When I first got the game, it was a Russian localized version, and at that age, I barely understood a word in it. The first few hours were full of frustration both to the language barrier and complete lack of experience with action RPGs before. Still, it was a memorable and just amazing experience to explore a such alien world in a computer game. I decided to make my final playthrough of it last year, but a hardware failure interrupted my plans. I have the installation files with all carefully adjusted settings and mods (about 25-20 of them) saved and I'm sure I'll restore it once I have my PC fully working again.

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Curse you, lack of edit button! The post above is not the final version I had planned, but close to it enough. Unfortunately it lacks proper formatting and some extra lines.

I currently don't have access to the list of my mods and their configurations, as well as any screenshots of the end result I have in both games. However, I can recommend Nehrim to anyone who owns the PC version of Oblivion and is willing to return to it. It's a German-developed total conversion mod, set into a different setting and a whole continent on their own. It's more similar to Gothic series in terms of structure, though.

...and Morrowind owners should try the Morrowind Graphics Extender, which adds such neat effects as distant landscapes, depth of field, AA and AF, improved water and shader support.

P.S. Tamriel Rebuilt is another wonderful thing that's worth a mention, but who knows when it'll reach its completion.

trombonne
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Very well said! I think that pretty well sums up what I was trying to say, but much more eloquently. Tamriel Rebuilt looks very exciting as well. Thanks!

I also feel ya with the edit button. It's... frustrating, haha.

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