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roflcopter117
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Nomad

you decide!

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grimml
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Nomad

i think usa goverment is worse then osama.


What do you mean by "USA government"? The current government? All the governments in the last 200 years? You have to be more specific...

btw war doesn't equal war. There are justified and unjustified wars. And please stop your left-winged anti-Americanism respectively relativism
partydevil
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Jester

USA government after 1945 till now.

GoblinD
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Nomad

Oh man my comment was removed Party, just wanted to tell that USA comment of yours made my day.

partydevil
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Jester

There are justified and unjustified wars.


killing people is never justified.
grimml
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Nomad

osama was responsible for only 1 war. where the usa is responsible for many more.

USA government after 1945 till now.

okay, let's look at the biggest wars:

Korea: justified. They helped defending South Korea from the Communist North Korea.

Vietnam: I'm not sure. There are pro and cons. I also don't really know much about it, maybe someone can enlighten me. But most people will probably say that it wasn't justified.

First Gulf War: justified. It was the answer to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

Yugoslavia: justified. They prevented a genocide.

Afghanistan: justified (at least I think so). They fought the Talibans.

Second Gulf War: justifed in my opinion. Saddam was a genocidal dictator.
EmperorPalpatine
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I'd answer about Vietnam, but that's getting off topic.

Afghanistan: justified (at least I think so). They fought the Talibans.

According to Wiki, about 38000 Taliban/insurgents have been killed since the current war began in 2001.
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I don't think you can actually compare them because of the sheer difference in the status and crimes, Osama was at the head of and insurgency, and while he killed people nothing he did is comparable to the crimes committed by Hitler and Stalin who were both elected leaders and wielded great political power not to mention the resources of their nation.

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It has to be hitler he killed millions of people just beacuse they were not &quoture Germen". Osma does not even compare he only killed a couple of thousend. And Stallen he just killed Hitler just to cover his tracks!

Armed_Blade
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killing people is never justified.


Wrong way to look at it.

The question is when killing killers is justified.
EmperorPalpatine
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It has to be hitler he killed millions of people just beacuse they were not &quoture Germen". Osma does not even compare he only killed a couple of thousend. And Stallen he just killed Hitler just to cover his tracks!

Not exactly. Hitler blamed WWI on the Jews to detract from the blame that Germany took for it. Since they were being used as 'something to hate for your problems', they were killed. He also killed anyone who spoke out against him.

Osama compares by how few followers he has compared to the others for the killings he's done/caused. He only lead about 40000 and he was responsible for about 7500 deaths.

I don't understand your last line "And Stallen he just killed Hitler just to cover his tracks!" because Hitler killed himself.
grimml
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Nomad

killing people is never justified.


So, Stauffenberg should have been imprisoned if he succeeded killing Hitler? I mean, killing isn't justified, not even to stop a genocidal maniac like Hitler...

Oh, and I forgot to mention the intervention in Libya. But this one is also justified in my opinion.

Back to topic: It's hard to say if Stalin or Hitler was worse. Stalin is responsible for more deaths than Hitler. But Hitler is responsible for WWII and he also tried to systematically kill an entire religion/race. Let's just agree that both were horrible persons.
partydevil
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I forgot to mention the intervention in Libya. But this one is also justified in my opinion


not in my opinion.
sprooschicken
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Nomad

Hitler was the worst of the 3... Osama angered America really with terrorism... Stalin supported communism which we had a big fight about... But Hitler is responsible for a World war,and a mass genocide which almost wiped out the Jewish population...Compared to osama and Stalin, Hitlers by far worse.


HA! Your logic is quintessentially flawed because Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler by far, dunno how many times I'm gonna have to say this.
sprooschicken
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It has to be hitler he killed millions of people just beacuse they were not &quoture Germen". Osma does not even compare he only killed a couple of thousend.


STALIN! WHAT ABOUT STALIN! STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALIN! Don't use genocide as the reason for Hitler being the worst when Stalin commited a bigger genocide.

And Stallen he just killed Hitler just to cover his tracks!


Literally just shut up, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

and he also tried to systematically kill an entire religion/race

Stalin tried
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I think Hitler, Stalin, then Osama. I mean Osama killed like a couple hundred people. Because my way of thinking is like kills. Hitler killed more than Stalin. Stalin killed more than Osama.

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