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Engima
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I'm SO tired of different companies treating pc gamers like second class gamers.

Yeah sure console is more money worth, but here's two things that a lot devs dont actually pay attention too:

- PC Games have a way longer shelf life, once a console game is off the shelves it's really never played again. Meaning a lot more money.

- PC's are so much more powerful, xbox and ps3 are joke compared too my computer. My computer is about four times how powerful they are.

- You can play ANY and EVERY type of game on a pc.
Racing games: You can go buy a racing wheel.
Fight games: There's fighting sticks for them and you can plug in xbox controllers into them.
Etc.

- You can do about everything faster, you can move your mouse a lot faster than a person can move on an xbox controller. Thus a better performance.


Thats several other reasons, but im so sick of devs treating us like second class gamers.
I just wanna hear other peoples opinions and arguments on this.

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mordecai1031
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i'd agree, you never see a PC game other than a mmorpg. Developers seem to focus more on Console games instead even though Computers are alot more powerful graphic wise and you can do more with controls because of there not being a set number of buttons.i really want to see more PC games come out like Halo and not be limited to MMO's

ChillzMaster
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I disagree! I say that PC gamers are nowadays on the top of the world! Who gets Minecraft? PC. Who gets Starcraft? PC. Who gets Total War? PC. Who gets Civilization? PC. Who gets Steam? PC. Who gets WoW? PC. Who gets Spore? PC. Who gets a regular mod API? PC. Who gets those 64 player maps in BF3? PC.

I play on both my PC and Xbox, but more on my Xbox, but I always come back to my PC for a good Total War session

-Chillz

mordecai1031
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but those are all old games, not in a long time have i seen a PC game commercial other than a MMORPG. Multiplatform games dont count really because they are made for everything, im talking about strictly PC games like The Witcher and The Witcher 2

ChillzMaster
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but those are all old games
I'm pretty sure the oldest game on there is Spore from 2008, unless your referring to the original WoW release date of 2004, but i was referring the new expansion that came out in 2010.

The last Total War came out earlier this year, the last Civ came out at the tail end of last year, Steam is still updating and very well alive, Starcraft II came out in the middle of last year, Minecraft continues to be updated, and Battlefield 3 hasn't even come out yet. No necessarily "Old Games", Spore was added just cuz I like the creature creator.

im talking about strictly PC games like The Witcher and The Witcher 2
You have to remember that game commercials are far and few in between, but increasing. The only commercials I've seen are Duke, Bulletstorm, Dead Space, MW2, Gears 3, Battlefield 3, and Bad Co 2, all triple A games. Only the biggest of the big are gonna make it on TV.

anyway, The Witcher 2 is coming out for Xbox 360 soon. heheh.
Engima
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Who gets Minecraft

Minecraft is going to be on the xbox.

Who gets those 64 player maps in BF3? PC.

I'm sorry but an xbox or ps3 could never actually withstand that many people in one place. Which is back on the note on a pc is so much more powerful.
mordecai1031
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but when has a brand spankin' new game thats not a sequel or prequel or an update to a already existing game been released for just the PC. the only one i can remember is SW: KOTOR ( not the mmo )and i think even that is a multi platform

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The only commercials I've seen are Duke, Bulletstorm, Dead Space, MW2, Gears 3, Battlefield 3, and Bad Co 2, all triple A games. Only the biggest of the big are gonna make it on TV.


starcraft 2 had several commercials before its release last year

but those are all old games


spore isn't that old. it came out in '08, i think. not real old as opposed to the NES, which is almost 30 years old.
soldier7
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what about wii gamers????????? i have a wii and im gona sell it to get ps3 because there are hardly any hardcore games for wii im not just talking about cod im talking all the other games like assasins creed,ninja gaiden and sooo many other games that i cant memorise of the top of my list
thats what wii lacks sooo much and the only thing that is keeping the wii franchise alive is the mario game which not many of them last long

developers arent brave enough to go and open up to the wii market, yeah the wii doesnt have great graphics so what its the game after all.
same this with pc developers somtimes arent brave enough to opn up to the pc
its either that or the gaming companies arent creative enough to use the wii remote

Turtelman1234
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developers don't really open up to the wii because of multi-platform games like CoD. i heard playing it on wii was aweful and glitchy.

Highfire
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Who gets Minecraft? PC. Who gets Starcraft? PC. Who gets Total War? PC. Who gets Civilization? PC. Who gets Steam? PC. Who gets WoW? PC. Who gets Spore? PC. Who gets a regular mod API? PC. Who gets those 64 player maps in BF3? PC.

A few things:
Minecraft - I do like, but don't play
Starcraft - God of games for me
Total War - Barely know about
Civilization - Also barely know about
Steam - Use, but not very tight on
WoW - Subscription and game going downhill imo
Spore - Know about, don't play or own
Mod API - What?
64 Player Maps in BF3 - I don't care when I'm boycotting it because of its preorder bonuses?

That is 8 points, out of how many? An MMORPG like WoW has only 11.4million loyal subscribers right now, roughly. Spore is old and whilst yes has near infinite methods of possibilities, still doesn't mean it'll stay for much longer.
Minecraft? Come on, that games only as good as you make it, and no offense but I think the idea took work, not actually doing it when it's how many MB?
Starcraft II being PC was a necessity considering how big Starcraft I was and is still. If it DID move to console then that would have caused as much as rioting in Korea I could imagine.
Civilization and Total War? Who the hell knows about them? A large deal of people but not the general public - it's all about shooters. I want some quality in a game that appeals to a lot of players -- ON THE COMPUTER. I don't want BF3 because of its rediculous preorder bonuses, and I already got ripped off twice by CoD6 and CoD7, it's a stupid franchise focused on the childish playerbase of games and thus degrading us as a whole.
MW2 has made a huge influence, map packs (or in BF3's case, the Physical Warfare Pack), bad gameplay (Homefront), hand-holding Singleplayer that doesn't allow freedom (also Homefront -.- )(Crysis 2 is the opposite and most awesome about this), I can't believe the franchise is still running. >.<

You have to remember that game commercials are far and few in between, but increasing. The only commercials I've seen are Duke, Bulletstorm, Dead Space, MW2, Gears 3, Battlefield 3, and Bad Co 2, all triple A games. Only the biggest of the big are gonna make it on TV.

From what I've seen Duke was just a crappy game of cutscenes and not what it was like in Duke 3D (Granted, I wouldn't know since I haven't played either -- what I've SEEN).

Bulletstorm whilst easily awesome was ripped on by media for the ****tiest reasons known to man, I'm actually pretty annoyed with how much CoD rips into foreign countries with their rediculous aspects of "War" and then another laid back game of the same genre has a ball-shot awarding points and OH MY GOD -- BANHAMMER IT!

Wait... What's your point on commercials anyway?

anyway, The Witcher 2 is coming out for Xbox 360 soon. heheh.

If they invest as much as is needed to make it as good a port for PC as Xbox (or vice versa), then I'm alright with it.

Yes, I'm aware that quite a few games (all of them?) will require more work and money on the PC version than consoles. Your point? I spent roughly £1,000 getting this computer and £20-£40 getting the game which I want to be able to expect it to be as awesome (even moreso awesome) as the Xbox version.

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yes its true that the wii isnt powerful but they could build effort like other games to fix the glitches. codbo sucks i mean they had to cut out a lot like the player customizaton. glitchy... i would say laggy even though u update it but due to that a lot of glitches are fixed

Highfire
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yes its true that the wii isnt powerful but they could build effort like other games to fix the glitches. codbo sucks i mean they had to cut out a lot like the player customizaton. glitchy... i would say laggy even though u update it but due to that a lot of glitches are fixed

For now I think CoD should be thrown aside - bad controls / gameplay is a constant in CoD6 and 7 if you ask me, and it isn't something we can all exactly "agree on" in a discussion.


Games in general leave out the Wii - maybe for the reason I stated, too expensive, not a good investment? Think about it, no one really thinks about the Wii as a viable replacement for a computer, PS3 or Xbox, they're gonna stick with what they have, as such the more relaxed games make the Wii a good option and actually gives it a good name for itself, happier games like Mario, Sonic and Wii Fit are all amazing in their own right - granted, not my cup of team but it still has a good target audience (families :P ).

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PC Games have a way longer shelf life, once a console game is off the shelves it's really never played again. Meaning a lot more money.


The same holds true for a PC game.

You can do about everything faster, you can move your mouse a lot faster than a person can move on an xbox controller. Thus a better performance.


For FPS and RTS games.....yes. Otherwise a controller does the job perfectly.

Developers tend to focus on consoles firstly, because the console market is much bigger in most parts of the world (including the US obviously).

If there's -one- thing people should be concerned about is that most multiplatform games are shoddy ports. Not a single game that was ported to PC lately was even remotely adapted to the platform (The PC version of GTA4 was a complete disaster let me tell you >_&gt. They could atleast make the effort to make that version suitable to be played on PCs.

I disagree! I say that PC gamers are nowadays on the top of the world! Who gets Minecraft? PC.


As somebody said, Minecraft gets a 360 version (AND a mobile version), not to mention that's not even a matter of PCs being preferred here. As an indie developer with no money, you basically have no choice but to develop on PCs. Not to mention Notch only knew how to program Java :S

Who gets Starcraft? PC.


Starcraft I will grant you, though that's really just one exclusive title. ;P

Who gets Total War? PC. Who gets Civilization? PC.


Total War and Civilization are slowly declining into being forgotten entirely.

Who gets Steam? PC.


As for Steam: The consoles have services that are somewhat similar. And Steam has a few issues of it's own too ('specially the DRM)

Who gets WoW? PC.


Because MMOs are generally unsuccessful on consoles.

Who gets Spore? PC.


Spore? Really? >_>

That game was overhyped like nothing else.

Who gets a regular mod API? PC.


Because it's not exactly not exactly possible to program things on a 360 while it's running. If they find ways to streamline mods on consoles, you can be **** sure they will implement it. Heck, Bethesda is already trying it.

Who gets those 64 player maps in BF3? PC.


I'm sorry but an xbox or ps3 could never actually withstand that many people in one place. Which is back on the note on a pc is so much more powerful.


What he said.

but when has a brand spankin' new game thats not a sequel or prequel or an update to a already existing game been released for just the PC. the only one i can remember is SW: KOTOR ( not the mmo )and i think even that is a multi platform


And consoles are different........how? The entirely AAA industry nowadays is built on remakes and sequels.

what about wii gamers????????? i have a wii and im gona sell it to get ps3 because there are hardly any hardcore games for wii im not just talking about cod im talking all the other games like assasins creed,ninja gaiden and sooo many other games that i cant memorise of the top of my list


You serious? >_>
If anything the Wii didn't even come close to realising it's full potential it could have had with Motion controls. Everything after Wii Sports Resort was a "hardcore" game as you put it. The media just likes to spin the Wii to having ZOMGnohardcoregames. Not to mention it's not the Wii's fault that all the other developers refuse to make games for it (and no "not powerful enough" is a bad argument when you could just make the game less powerful, which is cheaper AND faster to make).


thats what wii lacks sooo much and the only thing that is keeping the wii franchise alive is the mario game which not many of them last long


Hahahahaha thanks for thre laugh. Both New Super Mario games alone sold around 47.49 MILLION units. There's a reason Mario is the best selling franchise in the world.

Not to mention you completely forgot Wii Sports and Wii Fit, two other factors that made the Wii be so immensly successful.

developers arent brave enough to go and open up to the wii market, yeah the wii doesnt have great graphics so what its the game after all.


They certainly did try. It's just that companies like EA were being arrogant and thought the Wii audience was a bunch of idiots that buy any crappy game with the word party on it.

The reason nobody tries is because the tired routine of sequel-sequel-sequel-sequel of HD games doesn't sell on the Wii.

developers don't really open up to the wii because of multi-platform games like CoD. i heard playing it on wii was aweful and glitchy.


That's the Wii's fault.......how? Blame the developers for making a sucky game.

Minecraft? Come on, that games only as good as you make it, and no offense but I think the idea took work, not actually doing it when it's how many MB?


Don't underestimate Minecraft. The game isn't even released yet, and has already sold well over a million (and since there was no publisher or anything involved, ALL the money went straight to Notch). I can totally see the game exploding in sales, if they ever put out a retail version.

Civilization and Total War? Who the hell knows about them? A large deal of people but not the general public - it's all about shooters. I want some quality in a game that appeals to a lot of players


As I said, those aren't unpopular, they just lost influence over the years. Most old PC gamers know about Civilization.

If they invest as much as is needed to make it as good a port for PC as Xbox (or vice versa), then I'm alright with it.


Quoted for truth. But from what I can tell, ports to the OC don't get as much attention sadly T_T

Yes, I'm aware that quite a few games (all of them?) will require more work and money on the PC version than consoles. Your point?


Just to add, more effort = better game= more sales

If they keep screwing up the PC version, they'll ultimately kill their audience because nobody feels like buying an inferior version.


Games in general leave out the Wii - maybe for the reason I stated, too expensive, not a good investment? Think about it, no one really thinks about the Wii as a viable replacement for a computer, PS3 or Xbox, they're gonna stick with what they have, as such the more relaxed games make the Wii a good option and actually gives it a good name for itself, happier games like Mario, Sonic and Wii Fit are all amazing in their own right - granted, not my cup of team but it still has a good target audience (families :P ).


Like I said, normal business methods don't sell on the Wii, which is why most developers stay away.

And the Wii was never meant to be a replacement for those consoles. It's an ALTERNATIVE to the HD filled action games, etc. which is exactly why it got sure a massive reaction from the main-stream.
It never really competed for the audience of the HD consoles. Being very popular for families in just one of the side-effects. The Wii is for people that just enjoy playing games in their most simple sense (people can hate on Wii Sports all they want, but I still have a blast playing it).

The reason it sold so well is the reason why I think you don't need all those "epic stories", "drama", or "awesome cutscenes" to make a good game.

has a ball-shot awarding points and OH MY GOD -- BANHAMMER IT!


Sorry but I just couldn't resist.
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but when has a brand spankin' new game thats not a sequel or prequel or an update to a already existing game been released for just the PC. the only one i can remember is SW: KOTOR ( not the mmo )and i think even that is a multi platform


Amnesia: The Dark Descent - 2010

Scariest game ever.

only on PC

-Chillz
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Wow Kenty.
And who gets Crysis and Far Cry.
How about Warcraft 3 Frozen Trone or The Witcher
And Company of Heroes and Amnesia look-alike Penumbra (very nice after i completed Amnesia, it is different but also it is the same as Amnesia)

But on the other hand
Who gets all of the Halo games (xbox 360) or littlebigplanet (ps3)

every console gets nice games.


(The PC version of GTA4 was a complete disaster let me tell you >_&gt. They could atleast make the effort to make that version suitable to be played on PCs.


I played GTA4 and i had no problems with the controls, and i thought it was some kind of easier cuz you can change the controls to your liking's and i really can't handle those stupid sticks on a controller.

But really everything i say is wrong and i don't know what this is about i am just throwing random things into a forum.
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