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KentReid
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I hear many mainstream Christians say that Homosexuals, non-Christians, people who don't believe in the "correct" form of Christianity, murderers, rapists, and all-around sinners are condemned to the only place that will accept them, Hell. If so, is Satan more accepting than God? From the previous definition God is only "loving unconditionally" a very small portion of the world and Satan accepts all without hesitation.

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KentReid
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I've heard many Christians say that the tortures of Hell are actually just a life without Christ in your life and that actual "torture" is nonexistent there. But if you don't accept Christ than Hell seems like a charming alternative.

MageGrayWolf
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I've heard many Christians say that the tortures of Hell are actually just a life without Christ in your life and that actual "torture" is nonexistent there. But if you don't accept Christ than Hell seems like a charming alternative.


Yes I've heard that one as well. Another thing about this is it negates the claim of God being omnipresent.
akqpars
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It's such a silly story to understand. A whole bunch of angels were cast out with him. Reportedly one third.

The story is illogical from the beginning since the angels created on a base of obeying to the God. Azazeal or the Lucifer is not and angel after all. He is djinn and got his rank with a free will which exactly the same as ours.
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He is djinn and got his rank with a free will which exactly the same as ours.

And yet he convinced many angels to follow him, those who fell with him and became demons, if I remember correctly.
And what do you mean by djinn, and why would god have made something like a djinn with free will in the midst of his angels?
akqpars
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Yes I've heard that one as well. Another thing about this is it negates the claim of God being omnipresent.

Omnipresence statement may refer to hearing and seeing things. Since we dont even know the words He used in holy books meant mostlikely something else or maybe universe rests in Him. I also read something as 'I didnt fit in universes but fit in my loving subjects hearts'.
akqpars
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And yet he convinced many angels to follow him, those who fell with him and became demons, if I remember correctly.
And what do you mean by djinn, and why would god have made something like a djinn with free will in the midst of his angels?

Djins are the race created from the fire. They still lives and walks the earth.I m actually surprised that you havent heard about them before.
Kasic
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They still lives and walks the earth


...if so then please, so me a picture of one, i'd really like to see these things that supposedly still walk the earth.
akqpars
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if so then please, so me a picture of one, i'd really like to see these things that supposedly still walk the earth.

Try it and see for yourself the summoning rituals. They will come in flesh. There are bunch of summoning rituals flowing around the internet.
KentReid
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Well God couldn't be omnipresent if you look at the Old Testament and count all of the times that he was unaware of wrong-doings on his new world.

HahiHa
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Djins are the race created from the fire. They still lives and walks the earth.I m actually surprised that you havent heard about them before.

Well I know the word djinn, but it seems your knowledge comes straight out of the novels of Jonathan Stroud, "The Bartimaeus Trilogy". Never heard of them as real entities, and you'd need to show me one to make me believe they exist. Have you already summoned a djinn yourself?
Where do you get all your answers from?
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Try it and see for yourself the summoning rituals. They will come in flesh. There are bunch of summoning rituals flowing around the internet.


Somehow...I think you're just a bit crazy...
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Yeah and I was pointing to the basis of those beliefs seeming to be in a bit of a contradictory position. You don't believe all the Bible because of it being the work of humans, then you turn around and claim a belief in something that is clearly and knowingly the work of humans. Your clearly using different standards here.


I understand contradictions within my religion, as i do within every religion. Purgatory is simply something i've been brought up with. I know t's a human concept, but as a catholic, it's something that i was introduced to to give me hope.
What's better, telling your gay kid she's going to hell, or that she has a chance to repent her other sins in purgatory?
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Why not just abandon those silly ol' religious superstitions and threads of hope entirely and accept that when you're dead, you're dead and there's nothin' you can do about it but that won't matter because you won't even know you're dead?

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I think because people often don't like thinking that there will be nothing after they die. They would usally much rather belive there is something. We'll find out when we die anyway. Or not find out depending on what happens. And people are happy thinking they'll go on to a better life.

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Omnipresence statement may refer to hearing and seeing things.


That's omniscience, omnipresent is existing everyone. God is often said to be omnipotent (all powerful) omniscience (all knowing) and omnipresent (all existing) If there is a place where we can be absent from God he couldn't possibly be omnipresent.

Djins are the race created from the fire. They still lives and walks the earth.I m actually surprised that you havent heard about them before.


Djinns are genies that exist in mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

They also have a +10 melee
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/genie.htm#djinni

Try it and see for yourself the summoning rituals. They will come in flesh. There are bunch of summoning rituals flowing around the internet.


Please provide a link to one of these rituals.
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