I'm going to use big people words here. I hope they don't offend you. Anyone who has been in the 7th grade will have seen most of these words in their science classes. If you don't like the usage of the words for the male and female genitalia then be fore-warned that they have been used and that you need to back out now.
I've recently come across this issue on a different site, and I'd like to get some input from some other people. There are two words that cause this issue. These words are Gender and Sex.
Sex is defined as having either a vagina(female) or a penis(male). Gender is classically defined as being synonymous with Sex. ...but it also has another definition. This one separates itself from direct association with the hardware downstairs. This definition states that your gender is what class you think you are. As in, if you think you are a woman but have male genitalia, then you are still a woman.
This is the main point that produces the fissure between the two sides. The two definitions for gender alone call for different names.... and that's not even taking the word Sex into account.
What then do we label people as? (inb4 people throw a fit about labeling).
One of the arguments I've seen said that "If it looks like a woman, sounds like a woman, has chesticles like a woman, and it wants to be a woman, then it is a woman... regardless of the penis downstairs. Now... what of the people that look, smell, sound like a woman, but want to be male... and just like to feel pretty? Is it just purely psychological? Is it solely physical with anything inbetween the classical normal male and female being a health/birth condition?
Should we make up new words for those individuals? ...or just leave the classic names for the not-so-classic ideology?
...here's an example. Some "normal" guy gets with a girl and then finds out that said "girl" has a penis... guy then goes.... "oh...ur a dude..." ...or should he be like... "I see you have a thingy downstairs muh lady?" I have been told that in such a scenario that the person in question is by no means a male. I am slightly vexed by that statement.
I'll let some people start the discussion before giving too much more of my opinion away. Please try and remain serious when discussing. Let's not make fun of anyone for their opinion.
But Xzeno... Isn't genetic information found on chromosomes responsible for the transcription of rna that then gets translated into the proteins that acknowledge androgens and other things related to issues like androgen sensitivity and the lack thereof? ...Because it isn't the hormones (which are even themselves coded by the chrmosomes) that determine the sex... it's the entity's ability to detect, take them in, and then act according to the blue print that comes with the chromosomes it has to construct the proper gender. If the fetus is androgen insensitive then only the X chromosome gets expressed... does that mean that he X chromosome determined the sex? ...of are you just saying that the *SEX chromosomes do not determine sex? ...Is that to an extent like saying our chromosomes don't determine our being human? ...that it is all hormones and chemicals (that are produced b/c of what other chromosomes have encoded..)?
It's topical. It's actually an emerging world issue. Therefore I approve of this thread.
Because I don't have time to do much else, I also wanted to add a few terms into the mix. They are: Primary sexual characteristics (as opposed to secondary sexual characteristics), Mullerian agenesis, Rokitansky sequence, intersex, hermaphroditism.
Looking these terms up (and the reading required between them) should give you a basic appreciation of the process of sexual differentiation, and its variants. Only then can you really meaningfully discuss the biological side of sexual determination.
Simple, it's whether they have the 'X' chromosome from their father or a 'Y' chromosome from their father. The mother will always have a 'X' chromosome. When the sex cells meet, they fuse together, completing the pairs. XX = Female, XY = Male
It doesn't matter what you think you are, you are what your body says you are. Deal with it.
I fear it's not so easy, you can't just say "deal with it" to someone who doesn't feel at ease at all in his/her body. XX or XY are clear genetical genders, but take hormones all your life and it won't matter a lot anymore.
i can agree with the xx and xy thing... but even though there are still exceptions. anyway, xx and xy doesnt determine how you look like either. i have xy yet still many people would mistake me for a girl . there are always exceptions for every rule so in the end i really dont think it matters.
my point you should be labeled as your sex, whether you have a inboard or outboard. Now gender is purely psychological, if your a male raised in a male sexist family chances are your going to think your a woman or want to be a woman. or say the world is taken over by women and males are no longer the dominant sex many men would want to become women. Also testosterone and estrogen play a role too. every human being on the planet has testosterone and estrogen, males have more testosterone and females have more estrogen. now that can flip flop, males are the ones that determine the sex of the child....during sex. once said child hits puberty the emotions start flaring because of the testosterone and estrogen start kicking in. the brain starts producing the hormones which can change the sex you want to have intercourse with. which could prove the reason behind a guy wanting to be a girl and a girl wanting to be a guy.
