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MageGrayWolf

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Posted July 14, '11 6:51am UTC

Niko Alm first applied for the licence three years ago after reading that headgear was allowed in official pictures only for confessional reasons.

Mr Alm said the sieve was a requirement of his religion, pastafarianism.

The Austrian authorities required him to obtain a doctor's certificate that he was &quotsychologically fit" to drive.

The idea came into Mr Alm's noodle three years ago as a way of making a serious, if ironic, point.

A self-confessed atheist, Mr Alm says he belongs to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a light-hearted faith whose members call themselves pastafarians.
Passport photos of Niko Alm with a colander on his head A medical interview established the self-styled 'astafarian' was mentally fit to drive

The group's website states that "the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma".

In response to pressure for American schools to teach the Christian theory known as intelligent design, as an alternative to natural selection, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote to the Kansas School Board asking for the pastafarian version of intelligent design to be taught to schoolchildren, as an alternative to the Christian theory.
Straining credulity

In the same spirit, Mr Alm's pastafarian-style application for a driving licence was a response to the Austrian recognition of confessional headgear in official photographs.

The licence took three years to come through and, according to Mr Alm, he was asked to submit to a medical interview to check on his mental fitness to drive but - straining credulity - his efforts have finally paid off.

It is the police who issue driving licences in Austria, and they have duly issued a laminated card showing Mr Alm in his unorthodox item of religious headgear.

The next step, Mr Alm told the Austrian news agency APA, is to apply to the Austrian authorities for pastafarianism to become an officially recognised faith.

Austrian driver's religious headgear strains credulity

What are your thoughts?

[quote]Niko Alm first applied for the licence three years ago after reading that headgear was allowed in official pictures only for confessional reasons.\r\n\r\nMr Alm said the sieve was a requirement of his religion, pastafarianism.\r\n\r\nThe Austrian authorities required him to obtain a doctor's certificate that he was "psychologically fit" to drive.\r\n\r\nThe idea came into Mr Alm's noodle three years ago as a way of making a serious, if ironic, point.\r\n\r\nA self-confessed atheist, Mr Alm says he belongs to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a light-hearted faith whose members call themselves pastafarians.\r\nPassport photos of Niko Alm with a colander on his head A medical interview established the self-styled 'pastafarian' was mentally fit to drive\r\n\r\nThe group's website states that "the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma".\r\n\r\nIn response to pressure for American schools to teach the Christian theory known as intelligent design, as an alternative to natural selection, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote to the Kansas School Board asking for the pastafarian version of intelligent design to be taught to schoolchildren, as an alternative to the Christian theory.\r\nStraining credulity\r\n\r\nIn the same spirit, Mr Alm's pastafarian-style application for a driving licence was a response to the Austrian recognition of confessional headgear in official photographs.\r\n\r\nThe licence took three years to come through and, according to Mr Alm, he was asked to submit to a medical interview to check on his mental fitness to drive but - straining credulity - his efforts have finally paid off.\r\n\r\nIt is the police who issue driving licences in Austria, and they have duly issued a laminated card showing Mr Alm in his unorthodox item of religious headgear.\r\n\r\nThe next step, Mr Alm told the Austrian news agency APA, is to apply to the Austrian authorities for pastafarianism to become an officially recognised faith.[/quote]\r\n\r\n[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523]Austrian driver's religious headgear strains credulity[/url]\r\n\r\nWhat are your thoughts?

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Sonatavarius

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Posted July 14, '11 8:06am UTC

Does having a universal pastafarian believed theory fall under dogma?

If it does, then there shouldn't be a pastafarian sponsored view of anything aside from not believing other dogma. It seems.... kinda contradictory. If Intelligent design falls under Christian Dogma... then for pastafarians to have a such belief then it falls under dogma... but they have none but one... and that is to have no dogma.

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iMogwai

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Posted July 14, '11 1:03pm UTC

Here's your guide to Pastafarianism. Prepare to be enlightened.

Anyways, if they're going to make exceptions for people because of their religious beliefs, then they need to do so for all religions, no matter how silly it is. I don't mind that he was allowed to wear that headgear, but I do think it's awful that it took three years and a medical interview.

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Kasic

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Posted July 14, '11 1:37pm UTC

The Austrian authorities required him to obtain a doctor's certificate that he was &quotsychologically fit" to drive.

The funny thing is, all religions claim random, crazy stuff if you actually look at it. Magic sky fairy has a human son made via a women who has never had sex and grows up to die only to come back 3 days later? That makes a lot of sense. The only reason religion is accepted as normal is because it's been around for so long, but every time a new one pops up, everyone calls it crazy. If Christianity poppped up just now, everyone would call it crazy, same goes for all the other religions. Just goes to show people don't judge things based on their merit, but based on how many people beleive it.

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sprooschicken

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Posted July 14, '11 5:02pm UTC

Percisley, you really hit the nail on the head kasic, Christianity in my view, apart from its central beliefs, is just as mentaly deranged as this, except this makes me laugh so in my book its more worthy of merit.

He is making a good point, even if he has chosen a rather painstaking labourius way to do it.

On an almost related note this guy:
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He is the only other person in Britain apart from the queen allowed to wear headwear in theri passport photo, because he is the high preist of the druids

Percisley, you really hit the nail on the head kasic, Christianity in my view, apart from its central beliefs, is just as mentaly deranged as this, except this makes me laugh so in my book its more worthy of merit.\r\n\r\nHe is making a good point, even if he has chosen a rather painstaking labourius way to do it.\r\n\r\nOn an almost related note this guy:\r\n[img]http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/resources/images/892596/%3Ftype%3Ddisplay&imgrefurl=http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/4323919.Druids_in_defiant_mood_despite_court_order/&usg=__-g3oZyJY3EQ3UJDQNe3PMp1BdUo=&h=198&w=300&sz=13&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=NPZceuMKvJ02GM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=203&ei=zyAfTuvABsqZ8QPqnrG1Aw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Darthur%2Bpendragon%2Bsalisbury%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D571%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=502&vpy=108&dur=3250&hovh=158&hovw=240&tx=164&ty=92&page=1&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&biw=1024&bih=571[/img]\r\n\r\nHe is the only other person in Britain apart from the queen allowed to wear headwear in theri passport photo, because he is the high preist of the druids

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Sonatavarius

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Posted July 14, '11 5:42pm UTC

He is a professed atheist, yet he goes around wearing a bowl with holes in it. He says he doesn't believe in any number of deities, but he is still part of a church that wears gaudy headgear that is named after a deity. I would believe that normal people would view him as either off in the head or as someone who is flamboyantly making fun of other traditional beliefs

You don't know if the people who made him get evaluated were actually doing it because they thought he was off in the head. Maybe they took offense to what they see as an obvious trollface.jpg and they also had the power to give him the run around, so they did so.

Someone who says,"I believe in no god," and then, ", but I worship a God" in the same sentence/breath comes across as what to you?

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Highfire

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Posted July 14, '11 6:02pm UTC

Someone who says,"I believe in no god," and then, ", but I worship a God" in the same sentence/breath comes across as what to you?

In this case, proving a point. wearing a bowl with holes in it is quite frankly retarded but being a religion it is allowed. My moral standards say that I should be allowed to partially obscure my face as long as it is above my eye brows - would I be allowed?
No, don't be silly! You're not religious! :O

Maybe they took offense to what they see as an obvious trollface.jpg and they also had the power to give him the run around, so they did so.

It's a legit point, doing that only makes them look like *****. Pastafarianism has more ground than religion since it is not reliant on actual faith in something that may or may not be true - as far as the quote from the OP says. The philosophy

the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma.

is pretty awesome.

A little like when Bruce Lee said

I always learn something, and that is: to always be yourself. And to express yourself, to have faith in yourself. Do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate him

Can you really say people didn't follow that? By actually following that as a result of Bruce Lee saying that they are, in a way, actually following him :P

In this case I think seeing the logic in being yourself and the freedom involved is ESSENTIAL, as well as logical - hell, I thought of the same thing at the age of 6, but I still took "inspiration" from various characters I knew, mixing their positive traits together.

- H

[quote]Someone who says,"I believe in no god," and then, ", but I worship a God" in the same sentence/breath comes across as what to you?[/quote]\r\nIn this case, proving a point. [i]wearing a bowl with holes in it[/i] is quite frankly retarded but being a religion it is allowed. My moral standards say that I should be allowed to partially obscure my face as long as it is above my eye brows - would I be allowed?\r\nNo, don't be silly! You're not religious! :O\r\n\r\n[quote]Maybe they took offense to what they see as an obvious trollface.jpg and they also had the power to give him the run around, so they did so.  [/quote]\r\nIt's a legit point, doing that only makes them look like *****. Pastafarianism has more ground than religion since it is not reliant on actual faith in something that may or may not be true - as far as the quote from the OP says. The philosophy \r\n[quote]the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma.[/quote]\r\nis pretty awesome. \r\n\r\nA little like when Bruce Lee said\r\n[quote]I always learn something, and that is: to always be yourself. And to express yourself, to have faith in yourself. [b]Do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate him[/b][/quote]\r\nCan you really say people didn't follow that? By actually following that as a result of Bruce Lee saying that they are, in a way, actually following him :P\r\n\r\nIn this case I think seeing the logic in being yourself and the freedom involved is ESSENTIAL, as well as logical - hell, I thought of the same thing at the age of 6, but I still took "inspiration" from various characters I knew, mixing their positive traits together.\r\n\r\n - H

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Posted July 15, '11 9:31pm UTC

Out of all the religions I have ever seen, this is one I might follow! Who would not follow a religion where the sole god is a spaghetti monster?

Although wearing a strainer on your head is a bit much.

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