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as now things r going like Indian war excercises on our eastern borders and some american officials saying that they will attack in pakistan if they have to (like in jacobabad)
do you think there will be a war on pakistan by India and america or both
and
what will b china & israel's position on it
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pakistan army have been fighting wars since 1947 both all out wars and black ops and on a comparatively large scale seven are the major wars i can count of.
The American armed forces have been fighting wars since 1776. Even earlier, if you count that many of those in the official branches fought in the French and Indian Wars. So I really fail to see what your point is.
now a days any army who takes an offensive has to suffer a lot of causalities and america simply can not afford that much causalities
The American Military has 3,000,000 million active servicemen and women, plus reserves. If Pakistan called in all their reserves, they'd only have a standing force of 1,100,000 (from 2010 estimates, wikipedia).
Most of the Pakistani equipment is soviet-era technology adapted for the modern theatre, or second hand technology purchased from other countries. The Pakistani Army deploys the T-80, a soviet-era tank. The US deploys the M1A2 Abrahms.. In Operation: Desert Storm, Hussein had the world's largest tank force. It was largetly tanken out by the USAF, and the M1A1. SO you fail there. Then you deploy 40 Cobra helicoptors. Our helicoptor force vastly outnumbers yours, assuming we only use the Cobra. Don't forget, we have the Ah-64 Apache, which was designed with the intention of taking out Soviet Tanks rolling accross eastern Europe.
The Pakistani Navy just bought four frigates from China. This adds to their stockpile that largely consists of more frigates, and a few corvettes. The USN has multiple nuclear powered carriers, submarines, and destroyers with the eplicit purpose of taking out ships with tonnage five times that of a single frigate. With the press of a button, the Pakistani navy is joining Bin Laden at the bottom of the ocean.
The PAF employs a few second-hand F-16A/B, and a couple of Mirage III. The USAF has the most advanced fighter in the world, the F-22 Raptor. It is the stealthiest fighter in the world, and has the most advanced radar and electronics package in the world. Then we have the F-35 JSF, with the exact same electronics package as the F-22. Not to mention the B1-b Bomber, or the B-2 Spirit.
Our active force outnumbers your entire force 2:1, and our technology is vastly ahead of yours; you buy our junk we don't need. After a few weeks of aerial bombardment, we'd roll right in, same as Kuwait, same as Baghdad, same as... ever.
nukes missiles and planes are not the only ways to nuke some place.
Actually, thats about it. The USA/USSR had bombers, then developed the missile as air defenses grew astronomically. So unless Pakistan has develped some sort of magical transport device, you won't be nuking anyone anytime soon.
i say stalingrad i don't mean it literally i mean it for its house to house fighting, the fight in which u lose two men to capture kitchen and two more to capture living room.It can b rephrased as
IF IT TAKES TWO OF US TO KILL ONE OF THEM, SO BE IT.
Well, we'd just bomb your city into submission, bomb all your military convoys, bomb anything else that looked important, then send in the Marines and the Army to claim anything that was left. Hugs and tickles!
desperate times need desperate measures it is possible that few hundered SSG hijack a foreign ship heading to new york with a nuke with them
You clearly have no idea how maritime shipping works. If you stole Company A's ship, then I think Company A would notice when that ship strayed from its course, or broke radio contact. And in a time of war, that would be reported to the CIA fairly quickly. I'm sure you remember what happened when Somali pirates hijacked an American ship? They suddenly found live ammunition imbedded in their forheads.
probably u never heard of black ops
Probaly u never heard of the US Navy Seals... Or Marine Special Forces... or the Green Berets... or the CIA... or the Night Stalkers... or the Army Rangers... or the USAF Paramilitary Operations... Need I go on?
And we have a winner,+ 1 internet maverick4
Well he just said what I was gonna point out
pakistan army have been fighting wars since 1947
Not continually. Your experience of war is negligible.
IF IT TAKES TWO OF US TO KILL ONE OF THEM, SO BE IT
That's not the way Stalingrad was fought. The Russians lost much more more men than the German's but they had plenty more to throw into the fray. That type of fighting would go against Pakistan as the numbers are definitely against you.
and again u r mtaking us as light as iraq or nam
Vietnam wasn't a light war. It was horrific. Think before you speak. Besides which Pakistan would be a pushover compared to that. You would have no where near as much aid as you don't have the Communists to back you up. Pakistan probably is the strongest Arab/Middle Eastern/south Asian subcontinent/Islamic country but that only goes to show how weak the rest of them are. Your mates from all over the world aren't coming to help you. You're own your own, alone as the full weight of America's, hopefully the U.K.'s and N.A.T.O.s, armed forces press down own you slowly, asphyxiating Pakistan. Also, in Vietnam, the V.C. fought from underground dens in guerilla style warfare. Pakistan would be more conventional and that's what the U.S. excels at. If Pakistan turns into another Vietnam, I don't think many people in power would object to napalm and chemicals to finish the job.
@ TORTOISE
1st off, it's Turtel, get my username right. You don't see me calling you thenegotiator93.
desperate times need desperate measures it is possible that few hundered SSG hijack a foreign ship heading to new york with a nuke with them
You didn't read that I said the US has the best Navy in the world by a long shot. You say you'd use Black Ops, but 1: the CIA is the best Black Ops, being rivaled by Russia's. 2: trying to hijack a US vessel would be about the equivalent of a teenage boy trying to kill a mom grizzly bear with cubs using only his hands, it's not possible. You guys would get shot down in an instant because we also don't bring our ships in to port, that'd be stupid.
simply u can not conquer pakistan it is just impossible
It is possible, it'd just be a long, grueling process. And after some thought, I'd really give it about 5-10 years.
or the Army Rangers
Those guys can be anywhere in the world in 18 hours flat, so the fight would also be starting less than a day after declaring war, given that the first wave sent in is on the complete other side of the world. The Rangers also make Marines look like pansies. Believe me, my uncle was a Ranger for 20 years, retired now. But he's seen his friends blown to bits in Iraq and he killed everyone in the house that shot at him.
And we have a winner,+ 1 internet maverick4
Awesome! Now I have... two.
Call me 'Mav', pl0x?
as the full weight of America's, hopefully the U.K.'s and N.A.T.O.s, armed forces press down own you slowly, asphyxiating Pakistan
And thats if we're in a good mood. If it were up to me, the initial attack would make 'Shock and Awe' look like Sesame Street play-fare. Initial strikes with the explicit purpose of taking out any governmental leadership, the nuclear facilities, industrial and military targets. Then a week or two of air strikes to soften up any survivors, then the ground forces would mop up in a Blitzkrieg-style invasion. Quickly overwhelm any ground troops with the superior numbers, and it'd be over fairly quickly.
Those guys can be anywhere in the world in 18 hours flat
Only a Marine Expeditionary Force is faster, though they have the advantage of having explicit forces for Regions. Cheaters.
Rangers also make Marines look like pansies. Believe me, my uncle was a Ranger for 20 years, retired now. But he's seen his friends blown to bits in Iraq and he killed everyone in the house that shot at him.
You gotta be bad-*** when your big job is to help out the Special Forces when they get in a tight spot. Take Somalia, and the events immortalized in 'Black Hawk Down'. Hardcore stuff (Saw it for the first time yesterday on FX! )
Actually, I'm hoping to get into West Point and get a Ranger spot. Though my friend and an Admissions Officer has recently convinced me to apply to Yale, I can do a grad program at West Point if I take that route.
Fine u will bomb U will turn whole country into rubble but
remember this air force never conquers it defends
it attacks but it never conquers real fight begins when army steps in (neither navy nor airforce but army) and this is where things will get mess for USA
u talk about tanks, when every main bridge would have been destroyed by ur bombs or by us how u plan to take them across the rivers
fight will ensue,
it will b just another battle for u
but for us it will b our country
every able person will b conscripted
out of 180 million people at least 75 million are fit for service than in this case your 2.4million army will be up against at least 50 million army of own and
dont count on europe so much they got enough things of their own to worry about.
P.S This thread has gotten old because things have calmed down b/w governments
one more thing, rest of the world aint gonna come down against us unless we do some thing really terrible like blowing sheat up or something.
@ tortoise
the negotiator 93?
i like that
u talk about tanks, when every main bridge would have been destroyed by ur bombs or by us how u plan to take them across the rivers
Ford the river, build a new one, fly em' over
remember this air force never conquers it defends
cool story bro, but we have you completely outmatched
every able person will b conscripted
awesome... now you just have to train them and give them each proper equipment! while in a war, good luck.
dont count on europe so much they got enough things of their own to worry about.
Like what?
Albania
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Denmark
France
Greece
Italy
Netherlands
Norway
Romania
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom
all these countries have taken time out of their busy schedules to help in the libyan conflict, what makes you say they won't help against pakistan
u talk about tanks, when every main bridge would have been destroyed by ur bombs or by us how u plan to take them across the rivers
Then how will your tanks get across? That might actually help because we can just bomb them and they can't move out.
this air force never conquers it defends
It will be rather hard to defend against a foe you can't even detect on your radars, or when your planes are getting shot up on an airfield before they can even take to the air.
u talk about tanks, when every main bridge would have been destroyed by ur bombs or by us how u plan to take them across the rivers
As Palpatine said, this would help us more than harm us. And besides, ever heard of Bridelayers? They're nifty little vehicles. Its the chassis of an Abrahms with a giant contraption that can lay down a bridge over any gap. So we don't need your bridges; we can make our own. Thats American ingenuity right there folks.
out of 180 million people at least 75 million are fit for service than in this case your 2.4million army will be up against at least 50 million army of own
If you include the National Guard, the US can deploy 3.5 Million men. If we constripted every avaliable male from ages 18-49, and kept those that were physically able, we'd have a force of about 70 Million.
On the other hand, Pakistan has a standing force, plus reserves of 1.1 Million. If they drafted every avaliable male from ages 18-49, and kept those that were physically able, you'd have a force of about 40 Million.
Now, try training, arming, and deploying all those forces. During wartime. Without your biggest supplyer of arms (The US). While we're raining fire down on your poor little heads. I believe it was Putin who said 'WE WILL CRUSH YOU!'.
Ah, the joys of wikipedia and the stats it brings. ^^
one more thing, rest of the world aint gonna come down against us unless we do some thing really terrible like blowing sheat up or something.
You will find that American Diplomats have almost mystical powers of peursuasion. As Bush said, 'You're either with us, or with the terrorist', it doesn't leave too much room for arguing. Because who'd want to go up against the industrial might of America, and 70 Million patriots longing to whup up some insurgent arse?
And besides, ever heard of Bridelayers?
Bridgelayers. I haven't heard of those before, but that's awesome. I want one.
Bridgelayers. I haven't heard of those before, but that's awesome. I want one.
It'd be a great way to beat rush-hour traffic. XD
one more thing, rest of the world aint gonna come down against us unless we do some thing really terrible like blowing sheat up or something.
Try harboring the world's most wanted man then saying you didn't know he was in your own backyards. Like SNL has said before on one of their segments "Pakistan, listen, if you're in your room smoking weed and your parents walk in, it's still your weed no matter how much you can deny it."
@ tortoise
the negotiator 93?
i like that
Then change it. As long as you get my name right, I could care less. Turtles and tortoises are also too different animals. If you can't get the differences straightened out, have fun learning how to work an automatic weapon and grenades.
@ maverick
'u with us or against us'
those times have passed europe got enough of its economical troubles to get into a war
bridge layers, lets see if they can lay a bridge one mile long
bridge layers, lets see if they can lay a bridge one mile long
bro, i really doubt there is a mile wide river in pakistan, in if there was, guess what? find a new place. We have been shooting down you arguments so much :P
lets see if they can lay a bridge one mile long
Is there a river in your country that's over 1 mile wide at it's thinest point?
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