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bobbyr5
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I just feel the morals and ethics of the middle east aren't right compared to any western country.

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Bladerunner679
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sorry, would've posted this earlier, but had to go to work.

How's about people already living in that desert.
BTW personaly that price not too much for me if a war mongering, BS arguments givin, pants ****tin nation is destroyed.


you are a fool for saying that punisher, the tecnology we have today has saved the lives of millions of people, and you're saying you'd gladly throw away all of that so palestine, a land that was owned by brittian (since they owned it they had the right to do whatever they wanted with it, you keep forgetting that. it doesn't matter what you say, they still were the sovereign rulers) which meant israel could be started on their terms. you would throw away the newest advances in technology, some that we can't live without nowadays for just a chunck of land. why do I have to keep telling you to thiink about it for more than 5 minutes?

thank goodness that something along those lines won't happen, and punisher isn't deciding it or things would get a lot worse.

-Blade
zakyman
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How's about people already living in that desert.
BTW personaly that price not too much for me if a war mongering, BS arguments givin, pants ****tin nation is destroyed.


K, I will now request that you get off the internet, turn in your cell phone and any portable electronic devises. Also, if you need any medical attention, tell them to use technology from the 1960s.

So, when both Fatah and Hamas ask for peace, they are now told ''Halt! We don't want peace anymore because we can't talk to you, because you launched rockets at us, even if you're not now!'' by the peace-loving Israelis!


No, when Hamas comes for peace, Israel should tell them, wait 20 years, and please return all of the 1000 prisoners we released to you for Gilad Shalit. Then we can talk.

So now when the Palestinians finally say ''Alright, peace'', Israel says ''No, we waited too long, so now we're going to continue fighting because, heck, I hate waiting!''

Splendid logic again!


I'm saying that Israel has to do nothing. They don't need any peace treaty. They could just settle the West Bank to Hell and back if they wanted to. It's the Pals who are losing by not going to the table, and if they don't go soon, without preconditions, than they won't have anything to negotiate for.

By deeming that Fatah and Hamas CANNOT agree to a ceasefire, and by stating that they won't negotiate if they're at peace, he is forcing the Palestinians to choose between fighting their more religious brothers or Israel.

Which is admittedly a very sneaky way to prevent any peace talks from happening.


He didn't say they couldn't stop fighting. He just said that they cannot form a coalition government, because said government would contain terrorists.

What right did the Jews, non-native Jews, even have coming over and snatching half a country away? That is something you have ALWAYS shunned, instead falling back upon a shield of ''Palestinians lost land in wars'', when the land was in fact not even the Jews to claim. Chew on that.


Well, actually, Britain could do whatever the hell they wanted with it. It was never the "Arabs land" or the "Palestinians land." It was Britains. If they wanted to, they could have turned that area into a giant nuke testing zone. Instead, they made the sensible choice of allowing it to be split into two nations. Israel, who declared independence and thus actually became a country, and Palestine, who immediately called upon its "Arab brothers" to &quotush the Jews into the sea."

It never was a country. I will revert back to my previous questions...

When was this "country formed?"
Who was the first leader of the country?
What was their currency?
Did they have a constitution?
Did they have recognition at any world governing body?

I believe, the answers to all these questions are either "No," or "Non-existant."

So somehow, by dumping boatloads of people who have never been in Israel and then claiming it, is not land grab?


So you mean legally immigrating to a place you want to live is now illegal?

Oh wait. Blitzkrieg means ''lightning war''. So I suppose it's not a land grab after all.


Exactly what were you smoking when you wrote this? This makes as much sense as...well, that's just it. I cannot come up with a more or equally foolish statement.

I see again you have not cited international law (i.e. not wikipedia) in order to prove your point. Does this mean you can't find any? I am offended that you are not responding to my posts in a timely manner, when you clearly have time to respond to other posts. Also, since you are not responding, I must assume that you agree with my views. Wait...where have I heard that before?
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you are a fool for saying that punisher, the tecnology we have today has saved the lives of millions of people, and you're saying you'd gladly throw away all of that so palestine, a land that was owned by brittian (since they owned it they had the right to do whatever they wanted with it, you keep forgetting that. it doesn't matter what you say, they still were the sovereign rulers) which meant israel could be started on their terms. you would throw away the newest advances in technology, some that we can't live without nowadays for just a chunck of land. why do I have to keep telling you to thiink about it for more than 5 minutes?

thank goodness that something along those lines won't happen, and punisher isn't deciding it or things would get a lot worse.

I stand by what is right and to obliterate wrong, no matter how much it hurts.
BTW Zaky
Why every tenth post offends u?
as far as I remember u called me a racist in the beginning and then u got offended by me thrice
zakyman
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Why every tenth post offends u?


I never said any of the above posts offended me.

as far as I remember u called me a racist in the beginning and then u got offended by me thrice


No, I was offended by you equating every Israeli to every Jew.
thepunisher93
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K, I will now request that you get off the internet, turn in your cell phone and any portable electronic devises. Also, if you need any medical attention, tell them to use technology from the 1960s.

one good does not cancel another evil,
if u claim that israelis dvanced the science then nazis created:-
V-1: The first operational, powered, UAV (Unmanned Air Vehicle), first pulse-jet-propelled air craft, first cruise missile.

V-2: The first operational, short range, ballistic missile. It achieved sub-orbital space flight at an altitude of approximately 80 km.

Rheinbote: The second operational, short range, ballistic missile, designed to replace or augment large bore artillery pieces.

Ruhrstahl X-4: The first wire-guided ATA (Air-To-Air) missile, developed & tested, but never deployed.

ME163: The first operational, manned, rocket-propelled air craft.

ME262: The first operational, manned, jet-propelled air craft.

Der Wasserfall (The Waterfall): The first developed, but never deployed, rocket-propelled STA (Surface To Air), guided missile. Today it would be called a SAM.

Henschel Hs 293: The first operational, Anti ship, Rocket-propelled, guided missile (It began as Fritz X, a stand-off, radio-controlled, gliding bomb (also, a first); then the engine was added to allow low altitude delivery and to increase range and stand-off distance.)

Henschel Hs 293D: As above, but television guided (never deployed).

without these things there would not have had been any satelites(in the sense they were pioneers in rocket science)
hence no cell phones or anything likewise.
nichodemus
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Oh don't worry, I never run away and I have a record of answering virtually every argument you have put forth Zaky, unlike you who blatantly ignore mine whilst answering others.

So yes, in between now and three hours later when I get back from lectures, you might be given the luxury of mocking me whilst waiting in anticipation for my counter points.

Bladerunner679
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I stand by what is right and to obliterate wrong, no matter how much it hurts.


then I hope you are a glutton for punishment, cuz it will hurt a lot.

your definition of right and wrong are based off your belief that all jews are evil invaders, a terrible comment considering they are rather sensible and nice people. you have shown constant intolerance to the people of israel, even the members of the generations that had nothing to do with the negotiations with brittian to move into that land. you live in pakistan, punisher, a land that housed bin laden and is allegedly helping the terrorists.

now, following your logic, all pakistani are terrorists, even the ones that hated bin laden, and were trying to help the U.S. are you saying I should call you muslim extremists even when you did nothing wrong.

if you believe that you shouldn't be treated like that, then you are a hypocrite.

-Blade
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@Blade

-short reply-

The technological argument is immaterial because they were invented by Americans so why should we even include it at all? It's ab absurd emotionally charged argument.

Common myth:

Britain owned the Palestine. False. You like international law right Zaky?

Palestine was a class A League of Nations mandate, which are mandates of former Ottoman territories, deemed sufficiently developed to be recognized as independent states, Subject to the advice of the Mandatory until Thy can San alone.

It was a mandate. Not a piece of land owned by them.

According to the British the mandate was "a self imposed limitations over the sovereignty of conquered land".

Bladerunner679
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were you replying to the comment before yours, or the one waay before?

nichodemus
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On the last page.

nichodemus
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Which means the post on the previous page.

Bladerunner679
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ok that makes more sense.

well then back to the argument (this isn't a debate anymore when emotions are added).

-Blade

nichodemus
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K, I will now request that you get off the internet, turn in your cell phone and any portable electronic devises. Also, if you need any medical attention, tell them to use technology from the 1960s.


I shall also request you take up a dictionary and check up on ''Israeli'' and ''American Jew''. What's so hard to understand that the people who invented the technology were NOT Israelis? Jews they may be, but they certainly did not live in Israel.

So, we should have allowed Israel to exist in 1948 because someone foresaw twenty years into the future and realised that Jews in America were going to create splendid technology? All the parts of your argument don't add up.

No, when Hamas comes for peace, Israel should tell them, wait 20 years, and please return all of the 1000 prisoners we released to you for Gilad Shalit. Then we can talk.


Well, were'nt you whining about rocket attacks earlier? And how the Palestinians didn't come to seek peace and that made you angry? So now you're demanding that the Israelis wait longer?

I mean, just how contradictory can you get?

I'm saying that Israel has to do nothing. They don't need any peace treaty. They could just settle the West Bank to Hell and back if they wanted to. It's the Pals who are losing by not going to the table, and if they don't go soon, without preconditions, than they won't have anything to negotiate for.


Well, so why whine daily about the rockets? Why whine that Israel gets extremely bad press from the world and claim the UN is biased? If Israel is alright with all this, and having terrorist attacks forever, then by all means.

Again. Think. Both sides need the peace treaty, and the people of both sides WANT peace. What's the use of being obstinate and being childish by telling a blatant lie?

He didn't say they couldn't stop fighting. He just said that they cannot form a coalition government, because said government would contain terrorists.


By essentially saying they can't form a coalition government, he is most importantly, throwing bricks in the face of democracy, when the Palestinians elected two parties. By deeming that such a merge is impossible and stating that the split must go on, he is in effect saying that the Palestinians cannot put aside their own internal differences, and that their conflict must go on without a solution.


Well, actually, Britain could do whatever the hell they wanted with it. It was never the "Arabs land" or the "Palestinians land." It was Britains. If they wanted to, they could have turned that area into a giant nuke testing zone. Instead, they made the sensible choice of allowing it to be split into two nations. Israel, who declared independence and thus actually became a country, and Palestine, who immediately called upon its "Arab brothers" to &quotush the Jews into the sea."



''The Balfour Declaration, made in November 1917 by the British Government...was made a) by a European power, b) about a non-European territory, c) in flat disregard of both the presence and wishes of the native majority resident in that territory...[As Balfour himself wrote in 1919], 'The contradiction between the letter of the Covenant (the Anglo French Declaration of 1918 promising the Arabs of the former Ottoman colonies that as a reward for supporting the Allies they could have their independence) is even more flagrant in the case of the independent nation of Palestine than in that of the independent nation of Syria. For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the countryâ¦The four powers are committed to Zionism and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long tradition, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desire and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land,''

Edward Said, ''The Question of Palestine.''


Because the State of Palestine existed so briefly during the War and before it was swallowed up by the Israelis and Arabs, they had no time to invent a constitution, or currency or trappings of a state. The fact is, they existed for a brief time from the Partition.

Secondly, the Palestinian land was never Britain's to give away.


Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations: (On Mandates)

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Britain's rule was limited to administration, and it had no right to meddle in parceling out any of the land of its Mandate and its foreign affairs.

So you mean legally immigrating to a place you want to live is now illegal?


Oh it isn't. But it is illegal when you break immigration quotas and then swell your numbers up to push off the natives. Mexican immigration to America is fine, but if suddenly, thousands appeared at your border, and claimed that since their forebears lived in Texas (Which they did), and claimed your land, how would you feel?

The British government limited Jewish immigration to Palestine with quotas, and following the rise of Nazism to power in Germany, illegal immigration to Palestine commenced.Over 100,000 people attempted to illegally enter Palestine. There were 142 voyages by 120 ships.

Herbert Samuel, a British Jew who served as the first High Commissioner of Palestine, placed restrictions on Jewish immigration ''in the 'interests of the present populationâ and the â absorptive capacity' of the country.''1 The influx of Jewish settlers was said to be forcing the Arab fellahin (native peasants) from their land.

Exactly what were you smoking when you wrote this? This makes as much sense as...well, that's just it. I cannot come up with a more or equally foolish statement.


Well, before asserting someone else is foolish, I suggest reading up to prevent yourself from looking a tad bit ignorant.

Blitzkrieg is a military term, describing all-motorised force concentration of tanks, infantry, artillery, combat engineers and air power, concentrating overwhelming force at high speed to break through enemy lines, and, once the lines are broken, proceeding without regard to its flank.


So. Where does it state land grab again in there? Hmmm?
nichodemus
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your definition of right and wrong are based off your belief that all jews are evil invaders, a terrible comment considering they are rather sensible and nice people. you have shown constant intolerance to the people of israel, even the members of the generations that had nothing to do with the negotiations with brittian to move into that land. you live in pakistan, punisher, a land that housed bin laden and is allegedly helping the terrorists.


False. Punisher told me he doesn't mind the later generations since their innocent of what their parents did.

And yes, he has shown intolerance, because the initial waves of Jews essentially swamped land that didn't belong to them and then claim it.

That's an invasion, and is understandable on his part.
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Holy mother of God I don't check this for two weeks and this is what i find:
(start talking in high, sorority girl voice...now)
"your wrong"
"no, your wrong"
"uh uh, your wrong"
"i don't think so, your wrong..."
lol you guys are funny...

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