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Completely serious here, has she not seen I Am Legend?

Please explain your statement a little further. It's sometimes hard to discuss vague statements. I don't want to take the time to write something only to find out I slightly or grossly misunderstood you.

I don't see movies and concepts like zombies or rabid super albino humans as all that realistic. I'm not going to say it's impossible. It would most likely be a prion disorder or some sort of virus that would cause something along those lines. What we're talking about is using cancer cells and making them differentiate into usable tissue. Alzheimer's is caused by the loss of neural tissue (brain tissue diminishing)... this would give new growth to the brain and give you a chance at not being a vegetable at some point in the future.

I Am Legend is based on the premise that a 'cure' for cancer was found, but it killed millions and mutated some of those who were left who in turn fed on those who did not mutate.

It is a scary film because it isn't an impossible prospect. It is what could happen simply by the medical profession dabbling in things they don't understand.

And that is how I perceive Eva Vertes. She is a young woman who has ideas and a passion, but she has no clue what she is meddling with. She could very easily use her early popularity to bring about a 'I Am Legend' scenario simply by not accepting the possibility that cancer may have no cure.

I say all this having suffered a brain tumour and living with the high risk of it returning. I'd much prefer her to study and give that speech again in 20 years when she has enough experience for me to believe her enthusiasm.

Please view the video and listen to what she has to say on manipulation rather than elimination. Listen to it again and again, then wonder why a woman with so little experience in the field feels she has the right path when she has no idea what that manipulation could result in. She may claim to have ideas, but ideas and theories sometimes can be acted on and then they can not be undone.

Manipulation = Mutation = Unknown long term effect.

she said a few times herself that it is all just her hypothesis.
a intresting hypothesis nonetheless.
makes me think of when they said they wanna use modified HIV cells to cure cancer

It is a scary film

because it isn't an impossible prospect.

medical profession dabbling in things they don't understand.

And that is how I perceive Eva Vertes. She is a young woman who has ideas and a passion, but she has no clue what she is meddling with

She's been researching in the field of biology with PhD holding researchers since 14... To win the international science fair you have to know something of biology. She studies at cancer research institutes... they don't let you do that unless you know SOMETHING.

The entire human genome is sequenced. I'm sure they know what most if not all of the coding material codes for and gene therapy with viruses is already used. Using viruses to cure cancer isn't much different than using viruses to cure other maladies... you're still dabbling with the "unknown." You have "Jaws" syndrome. Just because there was a movie about sharks eating people and you've seen a shark doesn't mean people shouldn't dive into the water.

Odds are that if there is a mistake or an unforseen thing the patient or test subject will just end up dying.


@master... long story made as short as I can make it, she asks the question about why muscle tissue rarely ever gets cancer. Think about it, you almost never hear about muscle cancer patients. She makes the observation that a lot of the time cancer is a product of damage. Melanoma is the product of too much sun. Breast cancer can arise from damage to the breast. Bone cancer can happen because of bone damage. Muscles are the most damaged things on the body. Every time you stretch or twist the wrong way you create micro tears. Why is muscle cancer virtually non-existant?

She asked muscle physiology experts and was told that it is because they are terminally differentiated(speaking of muscles). I think those were the words used. This means that muscle cells, once developed are there for a long time and there are fewer stem cells to differentiate into cancer.... that's cool and all, but why does muscle tissue exhibit the same level of resistance to metastasis, which is rogue cancer cells being distributed by the blood and growing like a seed spread out from a parent plant in another part of the body. Muscle tissue is highly vascularized so you'd think that it would be more prone to tumors than what it appears to be. She is suggesting that cancer could be a natural yet unfinished mechanism for healing sometimes. That, or she's suggesting that the mechanism just isn't evolved enough in other tissues like it is in the muscle. Tumors start out as pin point size glob of cells and then due to certain factors that come into play (angiogenisis for one) they explode into giant life ending tumors that spread. She said that it can be found that these pinpoint things can be observed in the muscle, but they've been harnessed and differentiated into new muscle cells. She's saying that maybe it would be possible to do that for other tissues. I may have said something wrong, but I think that was the basic point.

they don't let you do that unless you know SOMETHING.

Imagine looking at a code you don't understand for the first time, then someone gives you a formula that seems to interpret that code... are you 100% sure what you're told is true? Would you bet your life on it?

However, this cannot happen if we simply idle by and pass up new opportunities to understand our species.

@master... long story made as short as I can make it, she asks the question about why muscle tissue rarely ever gets cancer. Think about it, you almost never hear about muscle cancer patients. She makes the observation that a lot of the time cancer is a product of damage. Melanoma is the product of too much sun. Breast cancer can arise from damage to the breast. Bone cancer can happen because of bone damage. Muscles are the most damaged things on the body. Every time you stretch or twist the wrong way you create micro tears. Why is muscle cancer virtually non-existant?

Within the confines of existing knowledge. Sorry, no cigar.

Unless she can display an advanced knowledge in the field that far exceeds current knowledge

Imagine looking at a code you don't understand for the first time, then someone gives you a formula that seems to interpret that code... are you 100% sure what you're told is true? Would you bet your life on it?

she is messing with things that she doesn't understand and far fetched as I Am Legend is, it is a chilling view of the future as it could be with the likes of Eva Vertes thinking she knows something other scientists do not.

Nice leap there from mutated cells to zombies, but I have valid concerns.

Feel free to make a mockery of my concerns, but I've expressed an opinion and I'll stick with that opinion if that is all the same with you.

I don't have time to watch the video, could someone give me a summary?

From what you have written it sounds interesting, I don't know enough on the subject of cancer or even muscles to just talk about what the OP has posted in his other posts to say anything until a few hours. Ill have to look into it more when I get back.

I would also like to state that as science, this can be easily proven or disproven, probably. Still haven't watched the video. Have any experiments been done to support or destroy this?

She has an interesting take on cancer. If we found a reliable way to control the cancer cells I don't see why her ideas wouldn't work.

@Dewi1066
I don't see what she is describing being able to result in mutant vampire zombies. A worst case scenario would be losing control and a bunch of people ending up with cancer.

On another note about curing cancer.
I remember catching a report on TV of this guy who came up with a method to kill cancer and only cancer cells. Basically the idea was to inject the cancer cells with a material that would heat up when exposed to radio waves, thus killing the cancer. The only thing he didn't have worked out was a delivery system. If you guys want or if someone can help out and see if there is anything online about this research.

Nice leap there from mutated cells to zombies, but I have valid concerns.

Feel free to make a mockery of my concerns, but I've expressed an opinion and I'll stick with that opinion if that is all the same with you.