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Does the fact that someone is gay changes your life?

Ok, it's because we were made MAN and WOMAN. We weren't made MAN, WOMAN, GAY, and LESBIAN, were we?

Yeah, you can't really mess around with that person like you would with a straight person.

In what way would you not be able to mess around with them?

If you knew a guy was gay would you slap his behind messing around?

Well in my Highschool, our soccer team always messes around with each other by doing things like slapping each others behinds. We're not really gay, we're just that close. If you knew a guy was gay would you slap his behind messing around?

Well in my Highschool, our soccer team always messes around with each other by doing things like slapping each others behinds. We're not really gay, we're just that close. If you knew a guy was gay would you slap his behind messing around?

I'm going to express how homosexuality is right using several meanings of 'right' in society:

Legally:
It is perfectly legal in the United States to have consensual sex with someone of the opposite or the same gender. Therefore homosexuality has been deemed acceptable and 'right' in the eyes of the law. If the law found it to be wrong, they would make it illegal.
Most (if not all) countries that ban gay sexual relations have a theocracy or strong ties to a religion. In those countries, it's also punishable (by stoning in Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Afghanistan, etc.) to commit adultery. This is because Theocracies focus on forcing its population to adhere to a radically strict moral code. Modern, secular countries do not support these practices.

Naturally:
I will clarify that by natural, I mean it is found in nature. I've looked through many pages of this thread and have found a lot of debate on this issue and its relevance to the question. Whether or not I find this point relevant in this discussion does not matter as others will. I'll keep it short and point all those that claim that homosexuality is not found in nature should see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
It is Wikipedia sure, but it is full of valuable citations that are quite credible. It may not be found commonly in nature, but as said earlier, occurrence does not deem something natural or unnatural.

Socially:
This is the key issue for many, looking through this thread. A lot of people are disgusted by the idea and they find the practice wrong. However, history has shown us time and time again that society struggles with shirking off bias and thinking rationally on an issue. Half a century ago, interracial marriages were outlawed. When we look back, we see this as ludicrous (assuming you're not racist) and think We can't deny two people's love because the color of their skins! That's wrong. How is that different than the gender of a person. Just because it's a gay couple, we can't say their love is wrong by outward appearance. Logically, we're falling in with racists of the 50's.
I have also seen the argument before that it should be left up to referendum. 'Let the people decide.' But to that I point back to half a century ago, again. The judicial branch made it unconstitutional to discriminate people based on skin color, rather than popular vote. You must think logically about this if you are to understand why it is backward to condemn homosexuality.

Religiously:
This one is the toughie. How am I going to use religion to prove homosexuality is right, rather than wrong? I won't. There is not a single verse in religious texts that I know of that encourages homosexuality. Despite that, I have not found an accurate, relevant religious text that actually condemns the practice of homosexuality.
Crazy, but bear with me before you start citing your scripture. First, I will post a screenshot from another website that I found interesting. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7637/fskdlfjsldk.png
I will sum it up for those less patient in reading text walls. In response to the citing of Leviticus and Romans, the person responding shows the misinterpretations from Hebrew to English and how the bad translation essentially screws up the meaning behind the scripture.
Next, I will say that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are obsolete. How can the word of God and the laws developed be obsolete? First of all, Deuteronomy is widely believed to be the traditions of ancient Israeli traditions. Second, people cite these books to condemn homosexuality before reading the other parts. In Deuteronomy, it says that a defiant son should be taken to village elders and stoned to death. A woman was not to put on manâs apparel, nor a man wear womanâs clothing. If your husband claimed you were not a virgin at the time of your marriage and your family could not prove otherwise, you would be stoned. Adultery would have you stoned. Now how are you going to disregard these, but claim the part about homosexuality was still valid? Times have changed since and such beliefs are not meant to be followed in modern society. The same goes for Leviticus.

In short: Homosexuality is not wrong. I have shown clearly that it is perfectly acceptable. If you say it is not, you have no logical, rational reasoning behind your argument. I will go so far as to say people that disagree with this can not be reasoned with because they are focusing on their own intolerance fueled by petty disgust. Their unwillingness to accept homosexuality is easily comparable to those that struggle/d with racial equality.

Does the fact that someone is gay changes your life?

No....why would you think that gays think everything would be an underlying sexual signal? I hug girls all the time, but I don't mean it in a sexual way for most, and all of them know. It's not like they would lack discretion, or are uncontrolled bags of hormones, waiting to respond to the slightest of ''hints''.

Well in my Highschool, our soccer team always messes around with each other by doing things like slapping each others behinds. We're not really gay, we're just that close. If you knew a guy was gay would you slap his behind messing around?

No....why would you think that gays think everything would be an underlying sexual signal? I hug girls all the time, but I don't mean it in a sexual way for most, and all of them know. It's not like they would lack discretion, or are uncontrolled bags of hormones, waiting to respond to the slightest of ''hints''.

Though given your circumstances I don't see how being gay or not would matter.

and what if it turns out that 1 of your soccer friends turns out to be gay? and you and your team have been slaping his *** for all these yours and he hitted yours.
if the guy would tell you all he is gay. (since you all are so close he might feel safe to tell you guys 1st) what are you all gonna do? bannish him from the soccer team?

That actually happened. I stopped talking to him cause you know what if he likes it? I personally dislike gay people, sorry if i'm offending you. Don't get me wrong i'll still pass the ball to him if it's necessary but I don't look at him the same way.

Hugging and slapping a butt are nothing a like.

I personally dislike gay people

That actually happened. I stopped talking to him cause you know what if he likes it? I personally dislike gay people, sorry if i'm offending you. Don't get me wrong i'll still pass the ball to him if it's necessary but I don't look at him the same way.

Why do you dislike gay people? I don't really see a reason to not like them.

Are you going to think a friendly hug from a girl is a sexual signal?

Is it because they're different than you?

why can't you act normal to him like you did befor. are you that scared of gays? if so then i feel sorry for you.

this is my opinion, you don't have to argue with me and nor do I care if you do or don't.

You clearly didn't read when I put I dislike gay people did you?