If it is a sin to hate and everyone has hate in their heart, how can anyone be accepted into Heaven? It is only human to hate something or someone, that is what defines us.
1 John 3:15 'Anyone who hates another brother or sister is really a murderer at heart. And you know that murderers donât have eternal life within them.'
It says that Jesus is pure and all-forgiving, and all-loving, yet homosexuals are still not permitted into Heaven.... This contradicts Jesus and God's nature, their supposed "all-loving" spirit. This also leads to my before mentioned statement in an indirect way; if it is a sin to hate, and surely they hate homosexuals, how can Jesus or God live in Heaven?
Also, it is impossible to be perfect. We all perceive perfection in different forms; so in this sense, it is impossible to be perfect. Therefore, how can Jesus or God be perfect? For example: perfect in my eyes may include a world of peace and love, free from chaos, bloodshed, and war. Yet a sadist would perceive a perfect world as one of pain and suffering. Perfection is illogical and improbable since we all have different views of perfection.
God has killed before, millions, according to the Bible. This brands him as a murderer. As I said before, it all depends on how we perceive things. Many people will bluntly state that it was a right move, that justice was the essence for the killings, but either way, however you look at it, God is a murderer. By supporting God, you inevitably support one that has murdered more than Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and many more combined. And yet this is considered "just"?
To add to my previous statement, disease and chaos runs rampant on Earth. As this is right now read, blood is spilled and people are dying, yet God stands still. Why is this? Someone who has unlimited power, someone who could end all suffering at any moment, remains quiet. Similar to a bystander, he supports death, ****, depression, war.... Depending on your point of view, God is the perpetrator of all of this.
Another fallacy is this: the Earth and light existing before the sun or how the moon is referred to as a light source. (Genesis 1:1 Earth, Genesis 1:3-5 day light, Genesis 1:14-19 sun and the moon with the moon being a light.)
Such a progression could only work if day and night were not contingent on the sun first existing, that the sun revolved around the Earth, as without it the Earth would have no orbit and the moon produced light rather than just reflect it.
Peace cannot be achieved within humans. Hate is a part of human nature; as I said earlier, it defines us as human beings. In this cursed world, there is nothing more fictional than a peace where people can truly understand one another. When someone has something that they want to protect, something that they love, they will strike out at whomever to protect that, this has occurred in all of our lives. Within that violence creates vengeance, which springs, pain, and from that pain hate, and from that hate, war is grown and commenced. Thus a cycle of humanity has occurred, one that is inescapable and inevitable, so long as human beings are existing on Earth.
So God's vision of peace is ethereal, one that we cannot imagine and will never know. It is unattainable by human beings, and clearly God is making no move to create harmony, as his hand remains still.
The idea that no good really needs to be done in your lifetime, no matter how many times you have sinned, so long as you believe and follow Jesus and repent for your sins, you may carry on into Heaven after death, is logically flawed. One would say that the metaphorical morals of the Bible are to pass on a sense of right and justice, though why is this if it does not matter what good you did in your lifetime? If anything, this encourages sin, seeing as you can do whatever you want, then apologize and repent when death comes near.
That is the most flawed piece of understanding I have ever witnessed in my life. A child's book passes on better moral than that. If the Bible was essentially written by God, how could one so all-knowing make such an inconclusive and imperfect statement?
The Bible says that some snakes can talk; that some humans have lived for over 300 years; that a massive, unimaginable flood enveloped Earth and killed off nearly all humans; that Noah's Arc supposedly held every animal that roamed Earth; many more anecdotes exist that state similar things, and yet, through hundreds of experiments and researches, it is in very many ways doubtful and shines nearly no logical, believable, tangible slight proof. The Bible is not a creditable source.
This is very long, and though I may have rambled, I still believe I stated my points thoroughly, and accept all debate and answers to support or not support my theories/statements. I do not mean to offend anyone whatsoever.
Accept Jesus into your heart and he... dusts away the sin? I- I have no idea what I'm talking about. Jesus/God forgive sins as long as you accept Christ as your true saviour while following the Bible as well as you can.
I think that's what a Christian would say, anyway, you'll have a hard job finding one around at the moment though - this place is deserted.
Anybody saved by the blood of Jesus Christ goes into Heaven. Whether you are gay or not. Sin doesn't mean you don't go to Heaven. John 10:28 : "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand"
Once you accept Jesus as your savior nobody or anything can take you from him in the end.
People often get the misconception of if you sin you go to hell. That's not the case if you are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ (meaning you accept that he died to cleanse you of your past present and future sins) I'm assuming OP isn't Christian and there isn't anything wrong with that. But playing parts of the bible against each other in order to find fallacy doesn't work in an argument unless your word manipulation skills are keen. You have to interpret what it says. That's the hardest thing about religion is interpretation. Gosh so many grammatical errors...but i'm sooo tired.
About those talking about how God accepts you anyway, despite your sins and whatnot, I am obviously aware of this already, and talked about it in my original post. Please read instead of repeating what I said. If you would like to explain how that provides any true moral whatsoever, then please do so. As I said, that almost suggests that we should sin, seeing as we can just have a clean slate before death so long as we say a few words along the lines of an apology and repent.
Post in the other heaven and hell thread. That's the main one.
I thought that it would be better to create a new thread. I felt like posting this in the main thread would disrupt current talk there.
I did repeat what you said, however, I brought upon a quote from the Bible that backs up what you said. :P
And that in no way suggests that you should sin because it's forgiven. True moral would be doing what's right, even when "technically" you don't have to. In addition, you face judgement by God in heaven based off of what you did on Earth. Remember, as Christians the goal is to please the Lord and share his love until you are united with him in Heaven. Not pass the world by and get to the big man himself. I'm sorry for my poor phrasing, as I said it's late.
It seems like many people spend too much time thinking about the small details in the bible rather than the lessons that are being presented. If only people would look at the bigger picture, and not worry about frivolous things. If we could understand God, then he wouldn't be God.
I was talking about the others, not you specifically.
And that in no way suggests that you should sin because it's forgiven. True moral would be doing what's right, even when "technically" you don't have to.
But still, you can and there will be no judgment brought down upon you, so long as you repent. I can pillage and plunder, **** and kill, and yet nothing will be done so long as I ask for forgiveness, no matter how weak that plead may be.
I can pillage and plunder, **** and kill, and yet nothing will be done so long as I ask for forgiveness, no matter how weak that plead may be.
God doesn't always forgive, he is not a get out of jail card. God is forgiving, but he is not ignorant. If you murder just to murder and there is no justification at all, then I'm sure God wouldn't forgive you if you weren't truly sorry.
