Some people say that religion is corrupted, and yes there are some people who give religion a bad name but there are many more that show just how beneficial and important religion is for our society.
Also those who say they are religious but tend to forget key ideas of their religion such as the deep south of America who say they are Christians but are really racist especially in the early 20th century. Why do you think some people choose to ignore some parts of their religion?
bwcause religion is not a truth. its a belive. if you belive in it, its your truth, and no cleric, rabbai, shaman or whatever can tell you diffruntely. if someone belive that jessus wanted us to make wine as a major part, he its true. if someone belive that its said in the bible tht you need to ride donkeis and whoever not will go to hell, its true. and if someone belive that he can be christian without the pope part, its true, like one can be jewish without doing all the rules, then he is jew.
peoples are what they think that other peoples think of them, so if they feel christian but paint jessus as a lizard, thats what they belive they are. and - as i said in the beginninig - religion always move. ther always new sayings, new belifes, new theories. thats why.
there are many more that show just how beneficial and important religion is for our society.
i wonder what are some examples for this?
i dont think they ignore it. most religiouns dont actually truly show how one should be and every person can have a different belief of another person even if they techincally believe in the same religion.
also, many religions teach horibble things that would seem wrong to many people. people may use their religion as an excuse but it doesnt change the fact that they believe this is what their religion teaches. a guy isnt any less religios if what he believes in is different then what you believe in. he is less religious in your opinion.
Mother Teresa, she devoted her life to charity and helping the poor
Have you ever heard of the Quakers? Nicest people you will ever meet, they only take the good parts of the Bible, such as equality, being a good person (there is a reason why being good is sometimes called the Christian way) giving to the poor, not being selfish etc.
I would like to see some quote from Holy books that teach horrible things.
would those people still do those things without their religion? i can tell you that if a person helps me and i find out he wouldnt help me if he wouldnt be religious id feel betrayed. if someone does it and his religion has the slightest influence on what he would do then it doesnt count in my opinion.
those good parts of the bible should be obvious to every person. saying your a bad person because of your religion is horibble but saying your a good person because of your religion is also pathetic
They do seem obvious now but that is because of religion, I know that there are many conflicts started by religion but it isn't religion that is bad, it is man.
Just because they aren't -your- definition of "Christian" doesn't make them not so. They are, if they believe in Jesus Christ.
there are many more that show just how beneficial and important religion is for our society.
Give me 5 examples of how religion is beneficial to the world and/or society.
Why do you think some people choose to ignore some parts of their religion?
Do you stone gays?
Do you keep slaves?
Do you kill adulteresses?
If the answer to any of these is no, why do you not follow your religion? The bible tells you to do all of those (well, it doesn't tell you to do the 2nd, but it doesn't say you can't either, and has guidelines for if you do.)
it isn't religion that is bad
I disagree. Religion itself, even without man, is a bad thing. It teaches people to be happy with ignorance, to expect the impossible to save them, to look forward to something which will never happen, and has an innate disagreement with all other religions.
Mother Teresa, she devoted her life to charity and helping the poor
She did good things, but she isn't exactly the most saint of persons and every time someone uses her as an example for an overall good person, my hairs are standing up. I don't remember exactly what it is I heard about her, but here already a few things: Criticism of Mother Theresa
Overall, I think religion isn't needed. The good things done in the name of religion would be done in the name of humanity. Who does those good deeds? The individuals. The only thing that the institutionalized religion has brought is corruption, see for example the recent revelations an insider from the Vatican has brought up. Not that the Vatican has become more corrupt recently, it has always been like that. Still interesting.
What danielo said is also true, there aren't any kind of checklists with which you could identify yourself as a person of a certain religion; in the end everyone has it's own sets of beliefs.
[/quote]They do seem obvious now but that is because of religion, I know that there are many conflicts started by religion but it isn't religion that is bad, it is man.[quote]
i never said religion is bad. but you saying they are obvious because of religion is just horibble. non-religious people believe in those things, i know many people who wouldnt change at all if somehow their religioun would be proven wrong and the last time i checked some of those things are ignored in many religions
Some people say that religion is corrupted, and yes there are some people who give religion a bad name but there are many more that show just how beneficial and important religion is for our society.
There are many scriptures that make this stuff look corrupt in itself. Those acting on it (giving religion a bad name) are following those scriptures.
Why do you think some people choose to ignore some parts of their religion?
Because morality doesn't come from the religion, it comes from the person. Given the contradictory stances in holy text like the Bible it forces a person to cherry pick it to at least some degree.
Mother Teresa, she devoted her life to charity and helping the poor
Mother Teresa didn't help the poor and her charity was a farce. She thought tat if she surrounded herself with pain and suffering that this would help to make herself more holy. What she set up was a place for people to go and die, even when those people who went to her could have been given medical treatment that could have helped or even saved their lives.
I would like to see some quote from Holy books that teach horrible things.
I was going to give a list here but looking at the time I'm going to have to get back to you on this one later tonight. If anyone else cares to give a list before then have at it. In the mean time you can have a look through this list of cruelty and violence in the Bible. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
One of the best examples of man doing something that he wouldn't normally even think of but accepts because of his religion is Abraham nearly murdering his son Isaac because God told him to.
If the answer to any of these is no, why do you not follow your religion? The bible tells you to do all of those (well, it doesn't tell you to do the 2nd, but it doesn't say you can't either, and has guidelines for if you do.)
Why do you say this. But before it you said this,
Just because they aren't -your- definition of "Christian" doesn't make them not so. They are, if they believe in Jesus Christ.
That's what is confusing to me. I thought tp be a christian, all that was needed was belife in Jesus. But then, to be a true christian, you need to have many other expectations meet? Could you please explain what you mean?
That's what is confusing to me. I thought tp be a christian, all that was needed was belife in Jesus. But then, to be a true christian, you need to have many other expectations meet? Could you please explain what you mean?
He isn't saying that to be a true Christian you have to follow it all. He was simply pointing out aspects of the Bible that I would hope the OP doesn't follow since the OP was basically making that argument.
Okay on with the list.
I would like to see some quote from Holy books that teach horrible things.
A lot of apologetic bs likes to argue around this one but the murder of the Egyptian firstborns does count. They were not guilty of anything, they were being killed for what the Pharaoh was doing, thus making it a horrible thing. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2012:12&version=KJ21
Human and animal sacrifice. (Screw the story of Issac where God stops him last minute this is one where it get's carried out.)
There are also loads of violent acts in the Quran. This site states "The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule." http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
He isn't saying that to be a true Christian you have to follow it all. He was simply pointing out aspects of the Bible that I would hope the OP doesn't follow since the OP was basically making that argument.
Oh, okay. I think I see what he means. So, the OP claimed that others ignored parts of the bible, but the OP probably does the same? I think?
Mother Teresa didn't help the poor and her charity was a farce. She thought tat if she surrounded herself with pain and suffering that this would help to make herself more holy. What she set up was a place for people to go and die, even when those people who went to her could have been given medical treatment that could have helped or even saved their lives.
Good old Hitchens and the Missionary Position. RIP.
