In order for you to understand this one, you need to watch this episode of the colbert report. you only need to watch the final segment with the interview, but by all means watch the whole thing.
this guy is trying something that not even william jennings bryan was able to do in his battle in the supreme court. he is trying to put creationism back into biology classes, and history classes. he is trying to take a dump on the so called "left-wing liberalists" (scientific knowledge) and believes that his cause is just.
in my opinion, this is something that I as an educated atheist texan (a very small minority, mind you) cannot stand for. he is trying to force religious belief when we have in effect some form of church and state separation that prevents such an act of fundamental idiocy.
now, my better question is, should we allow people like this any say in how our educational system is run? what is your take on this guy's quest?
you said that putting creation into school is putting religion into it and putting the "theory" of evolution isn't any worse maybe at the very least the schools should be able to decide for themselves if they want creationism or evolution taught
Creationism is religiously based, evolution is based on science. You seem to have no understanding of what a theory is in science given your use of it here so allow me to explain.
Theory; A scientific explanation of related observations or events based on hypotheses and verified multiple times by different independent researchers. "To state something is "just a theory" is a gross misrepresentation and common misunderstanding of the definition of a theory in science. This is mainly because theory in layman's term has a completely different meaning then in science."
Evolution explains the observed events and has been verified numerous times. Further more evolution is also a fact.
Fact; An objective, verifiable observation. They can be, and has been, verified many times.
We have observed evolution take place in both nature and the lab.
Feel free to education your self further with the links provided on my profile.
nichodemus tell me how is this "theory" of evolution scientifically proved are you telling me that they've proved that you can create life from an explosion honestly, there's a thread rule that you can't post anything hateful about a religious group or race etc. you guys have clearly broken that rule
Here you convoluted several theory. The theory of evolution is a change in allele frequency in a species over generations, or more simply put decent with modification. That's it. Now what can be done with these changes can be quite amazing.
I won't be saying a lot of new things, but here you go.. Religion can be taught at school, no problem, but probably not the way this guy would want it to.
There are two types of religion courses, one that can be taught at school, and one that should be taught by the religious organizations themselves, in their own localities.
- The first type is objective information about various religions and their doctrines and culture, so as to broaden the general knowledge and inform about all different faiths. Most importantly, it presents faiths as faiths.
- The second type is centered around one faith, it's indoctrination and one-sided; it presents faith as truth, and has nothing to seek in official educational institutions.
Nicho explained pretty well why religions can't be taught in courses about natural sciences, why they need their own courses. They have to be taught in parallel to each other, not in relation to.
@blade by not letting him put his stuff in the schools you are then forcing your "religion" on them thus doing the exact same thing you were just ranting against
differnece between me and him is that I oppose all religions, evolution has scientific backing, and this guy is so foolish as to believe that anyone who isn't part of the abrahamic religions is just going to accept this garbage being shoved down their throat. evolution is better because it opposes all religions, so it eliminates the bias.
you said that putting creation into school is putting religion into it and putting the "theory" of evolution isn't any worse maybe at the very least the schools should be able to decide for themselves if they want creationism or evolution taught you are quite a hypocrite bladrunner
theory or not, I'd prefer to see something taught in school that would help me in the long run. the only thing that creation teachings will help me in the long run is making myself look ignorant, and indoctrinated. a good example is the people in the armor of god clan, and their many "well informed" posts. hypocrite or not, if I wanted to learn religious dogmas, I would just have it shoveled down my mouth in church. also, before you decide to come at me again, evolution isn't dogma, it has more of a foundation than an old, misinterpreted book. the final thing, I'm quite fine when one teacher or school district attempts to teach creationism, because I can easily tune it out. to have it put into a book is madness because those words can't be unwritten once published. besides, texas has an influence in most of the text books being printed in our classes right now, to put creationism in a texas biology text-book is also setting it up to spread to all over the nation, breeding even more ignorance.
sorry for double, but I felt I had to say something about this:
nichodemus tell me how is this "theory" of evolution scientifically proved are you telling me that they've proved that you can create life from an explosion honestly, there's a thread rule that you can't post anything hateful about a religious group or race etc. you guys have clearly broken that rule
...you just confused theory with hypothesis, which is an educated claim that can be tested. theory is something that has been scientifically proven from a hypothesis. you aren't much into science aren't you?
he said nothing hateful to you at all. something hateful would be along the lines of "you are an ignorant fool for thinking that a mixture of logical fallacies, and emotional rhetoric, is actual fact. you must have been an inbred from the bible belt to believe that!"
that is a true insult. what he said was much more respectful, and he was so kind as to leave the words "idiot christians" out of the post. see the difference?
Blade, by opposing all religions, you are biased against all religions.
Anyway, creationism is a theory, as is evolution. Since we can neither disprove evolution nor prove creationism, both are theories. Creationism fundamentally opposes evolution. Creationism essentially states that all creature are currently as they are now. Evolution essentially states that all creature came from the binding of amino-acids to form living things. In essence, they oppose. Now using that basis, evolution and creation cannot be taught in the same class because they oppose and that would be like teaching the sky is blue and the sky is grey when you can't tell either.
TL;DR- Evolution and creationism oppose, and can't be taught together.
Is the theory of gravity on equal terms with the fact that the earth is a giant holding us all down? One is a theory, the other is a pipe dream.
Creationism fundamentally opposes evolution
Not really. They really have little to do with each other, considering one involves how desert people thought the world came into being and one involves how species change and adapt over time...
Creationism essentially states that all creature are currently as they are now.
By the insane people. Some of the more sane people believe science when they hear it, and change their insane beliefs to cover what science has not yet.
Evolution essentially states that all creature came from the binding of amino-acids to form living things
That is abiogenesis. Not evolution. Do you even know what we are talking about?
Now using that basis, evolution and creation cannot be taught in the same class because they oppose and that would be like teaching the sky is blue and the sky is grey when you can't tell either.
Actually, it would be teaching like the sky is a light florescent rainbow of colors constantly and that the sea is blue. They don't have anything to do with each other, so it really doesn't matter, but creationism is wrong anyway, so it doesn't matter anymore.
This should read as: Creationism states that all creatures were created as they exist now. Sorry.
Also, We can neither prove evolution nor disprove creation. Sorry again.
We can prove evolution. Easily. And since Science is the same for everyone, you can do it to! Go to a hospital and get a sample of some bacteria, preferable one that is not very damaging. Then get some antibiotics and put them on the bacteria at the same point every certain amount of time. Notice how at first the antibiotics kill most of them, then they start killing less and less until they are eventually completely resistant. Evolution proven.
1. Creationism isn't anything like a scientific theory, not in the slightest, for a start - it has no proof to back it up. 2. We have definitive proof of Evolution, it's not just a scientific theory, it's a scientific fact - I also think you might be misunderstanding the meaning of the word theory when used in the scientific sense. 3. You're confusing evolution with abiogenesis - they're two completely separate things. 4. I agree, evolution and creationism cannot and should not be taught together, evolution belongs in the classroom whereas creationism belongs in the Church (with maybe a little mention in Religion class alongside other creation mythologies).
That is not the point. The point of the thread is whether evolution should be taught with biology, and it should not. Whether creation exists is way to huge a debate to be getting into here.
That's not the right kind of evolution that's adaptation, survival of the fittest, bacterial evolution is different. I'm talking about homo-sapiens coming from apes. From what I've seen, homo-sapiens are a parasite by any definition.
