Lol, there are lots of metal bands who neither scream nor growl. Never heard of Power Metal? Can sometimes be really beautiful.
I concede growling is not for everyone, I dind't like it at all at first too, but I got used to it mainly because I listened to a band where growling was ok and the music was great. Now it doesn't bother me anymore.
And anyway what's with crappy gangsta rap? Is that so much better than screaming metal? I think not.
Everything is counted as music, it's only how you appreciate them. But honestly, i'm not a big fan of metal music. But metal players are really talented though. Rapping is good, but when one is good in impromptu rapping, it turns rapping great
Other than the fact that they mostly sing about one topic, aka a three letter word that starts with s. Also, they rap as if doing drugs is totally fine. And as if drinking is totally fine.
That's your moral values. The artist doesn't care about your values - he's communicating his. His art should be judged on what it sets out to do, not what you want it to. Great art challenges you, and if it didn't, it'd be safe, boring. If your art agrees with you all the time, is it any higher than plain old entertainment? That's the problem with mainstream music - it passes itself off as creative and such, but it merely repeats the values of the audience it wants to sell itself to. It's product, not art.
I agree with some of your moral judgments, but it's not for either of us to discredit art merely because of the point it makes, if it makes that point well enough. It's the rappers' opinion, whether we like it or not. Judge art on its own terms. If we didn't, art would never progress at all. Bad music is bad because it's lazy, uncreative and/or dishonest, not because its message is immoral or ugly. I'd take a solid, well-made and honest party rap over some pretentious, heartless 20-minute krautrock experiment any day.
Not that talking about sex and partying is anything but pandering to young people's futility. But that's something else. You'll find **** in every genre, especially in the mainstream.
BAHAHAHAHAHHHA Rap isn't even music. Rap doesn't take talent. Anyone can make noise on a computer and talk fast and write crappy poetry. Metal actually takes TALENT! To be able to play a guitar, especially as fast and as intricate as most metal bands do, and people don't realize how hard it actually is to scream like a metal vox. Plus not all metal is screaming. There is singing in metal, for example, look up Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, disturbed.
In short, Metal is a genre that takes way more talent than rap, so in my mind, metal wins.
Don't get me wrong, there are rappers who I like a lot! i.e. eminem, or mac lethal. But 90 percent of rap songs I've heard are about drugs, sex, shooting cops, more drugs, how awesome rapper is, more drugs... did I mention drugs? Listen to the lyrics of metal songs, they're about loss, tragedy, pain, but also love and happiness. (fun fact: Lamb of God's song Walk With Me in Hell is a love song to the guitarist's wife. I asked him about it on twitter, he wrote the lyrics.)
But 90 percent of rap songs I've heard are about drugs, sex, shooting cops, more drugs, how awesome rapper is, more drugs... did I mention drugs?
Rap doesn't take talent.
OF COURSE YOU THINK THAT. YOU'VE ONLY LISTENED TO MAINSTREAM RAP. You don't get to have an opinion without proper background. I bet you get royally pissed off when people judge the entirety of metal music based on two or three crappy deathcore bands, or say they're a metal fan but really they just like Slipknot.
You can't possibly judge a genre by listening to its most debased, dumbed down, radio-friendly expressions. I dare you to listen to some proper old-school hip hop music like Public Enemy or NWA or 2Pac or some of the more avant-garde trip hop out there, and say there's no talent involved.
To be able to play a guitar, especially as fast and as intricate as most metal bands do, and people don't realize how hard it actually is to scream like a metal vox.
That's skill. All those things are trained, learned. I'd know, I play bass, guitar, drums and do vocals fairly well. What matters is having talent to know how to apply them. THAT is talent.
Who cares if you're good at some mechanical activity? Playing guitar is no different than operating a computer - they're tools and what matters is the outcome. An instrument is a means to an end. The end is music, and it'll only be good if you're a good artist. Regardless of instrument, genre, morals, or whatever.
Last time I checked, A computer is not an instrument, and no, it doesn't take talent to talk fast.
HAHHA, chill dude. I'm just trollin.
Metal and rap are like comparing a potato to a wagon. They're not even in the same galaxy. I like rap, and I like metal. It's just music, it's art, it's entertainment, it's the art of entertainment. Let's just kick back, and crank it past 11.
@Kaidou16, you're wrong. Many rapper, secular or believer, might rap about sex, drugs and all that, but it's not the case for everyone, by far. For instance I know one rapper that seems secular, and yet has deep lyrics, criticises what is wrong, and sensibilizes people about issues that others might propagate in their songs.
Clearly you didn't read what I said. I never said anything about all rappers singing about that.
BAHAHAHAHAHHHA Rap isn't even music. Rap doesn't take talent. Anyone can make noise on a computer and talk fast and write crappy poetry.
Hey, get your facts straight. You've clearly never been to a rap concert. You don't see these people on stage using computers to 'make noise'. And that crappy poetry you speak of, is better than people simply going like RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TERRSDHDSEGFGJDSFGFHYRESGHKJGHTDFGKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that screamo isn't the only kind of metal, but still, I'd love to see a metal singer scream half the lyrics rappers sing.
I know that screamo isn't the only kind of metal, but still, I'd love to see a metal singer scream half the lyrics rappers sing.
Screamo isn't a kind of metal. It's screamo. It comes from hardcore punk and emo. No metaller listens to screamo. Get your facts right before you criticize a genre.
And metal vocalists don't all scream - in fact, not even most do. Only some subgenres use screams/growls. I'd like to see a rapper do what Rob Halford could do with his voice, or Ronnie James Dio, or Chris Cornell, or Russell Allen, or Maynard James Keenan. Except they don't have to, because it's two different god**** aesthetics with two different sets of necessary skills.
Clearly you didn't read what I said. I never said anything about all rappers singing about that.
It's true that I don't find many rappers whose lyrics convince me in any way. Though I must say, I buy most of my metal CDs because of the music and not for the lyrics. Rap as a music simply isn't appealing to me or so little, which I guess is why lyrics play a more important role there (they're the only thing that requires real talent).
But please, next time either address my actual criticism/point, or let it be.
And metal vocalists don't all scream - in fact, not even most do. Only some subgenres use screams/growls. I'd like to see a rapper do what Rob Halford could do with his voice, or Ronnie James Dio, or Chris Cornell, or Russell Allen, or Maynard James Keenan.
Screaming is rather rare, but I'd say that growling is the standard voice type in folk, death and black metal. Of course as you said those are only certain subgenres among many others. And yeah, Dio is awesome.
I can't believe all the haters of metal, there have been good and bad arguments for both genres, but personally I prefer metal as there is a lot more musical skill required to play it e.g. any of the epic songs dragonforce give us. I also prefer the messages sent across by metal than the ones sent across by rap e.g. the power of unity vs killing ******s.
