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thepyro222
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What makes a perfect world? A question that has been asked many, many times. I believe that a perfect world is a world in equilibrium, perfect balance. I'm not saying 50% men to 50% women. The reality is much deeper.
You can't have happiness without sadness, you can't have anger without joy, you can't have good without evil, you can't have love without hate. If we had no violence, anger, hate, etc. We wouldn't have emotions. This goes beyond just people though. We can't have peace without war, we can't have sunny weather without rain, we can't have green grass and green trees without dead ones, and so on.
The reason for this is because without an opposite, it simply can't exist. For something to exist, it needs an opposite. I know this because of the above mentioned reasons.
So a perfect world is one of perfect balance.
That does it for me, does AG agree or disagree?

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stephenking
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When communism is eradicated, we'll be in a perfect world.
Mmm, nah. Myself a bit supportive of communism, it's not a bad thing, communism is. People tend to say "Oh, communism's bad 'cause of Stalin and Pol Pot and rainbow!", but you're missing the point. Communism is not a bad thing. Excuse my using of a dictionary definition, but here's what communism is.

com·mu·nismâ â[kom-yuh-niz-uhm]
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

Or Wikipedia. Your drink.

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

classless

No one's born into a social class. Basically, people are not born into "farmer" or &quotopular" or "that's guy's a pedophile" groups.

moneyless

Honestly, I don't understand this, really. I don't know what this is about, but, anyway, let's move on.

stateless

So, I'm guessing something like Britain, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, etc. Just cities, no independent states.

That's all I can really do for now, go ask someone else if you want something better.

OT: There never will be a perfect world. People are never perfect. There will always be discrimination, whether it be for the colour of your skin, your sexuality, gender, religious view, fashion choice, eating decisions (veganism, etc.), etc.

Sorry.

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jt25rox
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jt25rox
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The problem with a perfect world is conformity.
People dont want to conform
God doesnt want us to conform
So how can you control radical ideas from changing minds without conformity.
A perfect is to have dyslexia. i mean sex daily sorry i have sex daily i mean dyslexia

thisisnotanalt
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thisisnotanalt
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The problem with a perfect world is conformity.
People dont want to conform
God doesnt want us to conform
So how can you control radical ideas from changing minds without conformity


Perfect world is inhabited by perfect individuals, so this point doesn't hold water.
keeton52
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First you have to get rid of the worlds largest enemy, Religion.

Masterforger
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I concur. Any who say that religion "helps the world and you" is "either a fool or trying to sell you something" -Three Musketeers
And to make sure I cannot lose this argument:
http://roboteyetheater.com/images/2011%20images/the-three-musketeers-2011/musketeers-in-airships.jpg

HahiHa
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HahiHa
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Perfect world is inhabited by perfect individuals, so this point doesn't hold water.

Is it necessarily the case?

If a world contains imperfect individuals that constitute a perfect society (for example), does that make the individuals automatically perfect too?
nichodemus
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If a world contains imperfect individuals that constitute a perfect society (for example), does that make the individuals automatically perfect too?


I think that's a reversal of causation. All individuals are perfect, hence such a hypothetical society is perfect. After all, a whole is just a sum of all its parts.
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a perfect world can not exist as long as there are many different individuals who have different fews of what is perfect. if someone says aples are the perfect fruit for all pies then what would happen to people who hate apples?

How does the subjectivity of perfection preclude its attainment? That person's fetishization of apples is an imperfection because of its intensity and xenofruitophobic nature; in a perfect world, there is nothing that is not perfect. There are no challenges to perfection. Since this fetishization of apples can only exist in an imperfect world, how does it preclude the existence of a perfect world?


no, i meant if someone says that you must eat apples, what would you do if you hate apples or if you are allergic to them?

what i tried to say was that a perfect world can not exist, here is an example why:

imagine you are in a room. as long as you are alone you can make your own rules and do whatever you want. but what would happen if there were three people with different rules in the same room?
thisisnotanalt
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thisisnotanalt
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no, i meant if someone says that you must eat apples, what would you do if you hate apples or if you are allergic to them?


I don't think you really got what I was saying. Since traits like an apple allergy or a hatred of apples severe enough to try to stop others from eating apples are imperfections, they can't preclude a perfect world because by definition they would not be present in a perfect world. The presence of imperfection in this world proves nothing as to whether perfection is possible or not. You haven't proven that imperfections like that are going to be present in a society regardless of conditions, so your assertion proves nothing.
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so we are talking about an utopia where everything is perfect? what does the word perfect mean? for some people it is perfect to kill other people, for some people it is perfect to eat meat, other people find it perfect to eat no meat or not to kill. now try to mix that to a perfect world. and there are many other things that wont work together in a perfect world because many people define perfect differently than you or me.

EmperorPalpatine
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because many people define perfect differently than you or me.

The only way around that is if everyone either shared a singular 'hive mind' or there was only one being.
thisisnotanalt
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so we are talking about an utopia where everything is perfect? what does the word perfect mean? for some people it is perfect to kill other people, for some people it is perfect to eat meat, other people find it perfect to eat no meat or not to kill. now try to mix that to a perfect world. and there are many other things that wont work together in a perfect world because many people define perfect differently than you or me.


What I'm saying is that a perfect world requires perfect people. The conflicts you're talking about would not exist in a perfect world because they arise from personal imperfection, and personal imperfection would not exist in a perfect world. In a perfect world, there would be no problems like this because there would be no imperfect people to cause these problems.
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What I'm saying is that a perfect world requires perfect people. The conflicts you're talking about would not exist in a perfect world because they arise from personal imperfection, and personal imperfection would not exist in a perfect world. In a perfect world, there would be no problems like this because there would be no imperfect people to cause these problems.


do you think it is actualy possible? or all just a fable
thisisnotanalt
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thisisnotanalt
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do you think it is actualy possible? or all just a fable


It could be possible. I don't know.
partydevil
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how could it be possible? are you willing to change your view of perfect if the other guy doesn't agree whit it? and if you do are you sure it still is perfect for you?

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