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Posted Jan 31, '14 at 12:23am

abt79

abt79

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I do. But science, sadly goes either way on whether a fetus is a person. Pro-choice, even if you think it has some good points, has a ridiculous name. I mean, choice in general is generally neutral, people can make good or bad decisions. So you could be saying "Pro-good" or "Pro-evil"
but life is good.

And a good argument (although you may be able to poke holes) is an argument of universalizing an argument. What if everyone had an abortion. Where would babies come from? We would most certainly run out of viable storks very quickly.

 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 12:44am

FishPreferred

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I do. But science, sadly goes either way on whether a fetus is a person.


No, actually. Science never goes "either way", it simply isn't something that's been tested exhaustively. The law is what can go either way.

Pro-choice, even if you think it has some good points, has a ridiculous name. I mean, choice in general is generally neutral, people can make good or bad decisions. So you could be saying "Pro-good" or "Pro-evil"
but life is good.


No. These words have no rational meaning. There is no actual "good" (the noun) and there is no actual "evil". They are ficticious concepts. Their only purpose is to prevent a lengthy analysis of motive and causality.

And a good argument (although you may be able to poke holes) is an argument of universalizing an argument. What if everyone had an abortion. Where would babies come from? We would most certainly run out of viable storks very quickly.


Which is not a good use of that form of argument. This would require every mother in existence to want and have good reason to abort. Also, by taking it to this extreme, you are easily checked by the opposite: If every pregnancy had to result in at least one child, the human population would spiral out of control much more rapidly than it already is.
 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 1:02am

Pazx

Pazx

6,123 posts

Pro-choice, even if you think it has some good points, has a ridiculous name. I mean, choice in general is generally neutral, people can make good or bad decisions. So you could be saying "Pro-good" or "Pro-evil"
but life is good.


This is actually an interesting point, it's a shame you have it backwards. The word "life" and prefix "pro" both have positive connotations, yet put them together and the result is anything but. In a way, it makes pro-life arguments sound inherently good, undeservingly so.
 

Posted Feb 1, '14 at 4:11pm

Fiends

Fiends

114 posts

Abortion is murder. A fetus is an organism that 1. is alive; 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is alive and contains human DNA is human life. To abort a fetus is to kill it deliberately. The deliberate killing of human life is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder.

 

Posted Feb 1, '14 at 4:19pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,975 posts

Abortion is murder. A fetus is an organism that 1. is alive; 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is alive and contains human DNA is human life. To abort a fetus is to kill it deliberately. The deliberate killing of human life is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder.


So you also agree that masturbation and females having periods is "murder"?
 

Posted Feb 1, '14 at 4:38pm

HahiHa

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Abortion is murder. A fetus is an organism that 1. is alive; 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is alive and contains human DNA is human life. To abort a fetus is to kill it deliberately. The deliberate killing of human life is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder.

Cancer treatment is murder. A cancer is an organism that 1. is alive; 2. contains human DNA. An organism that is alive and contains human DNA is human life. To treat a cancer is to kill it deliberately. The deliberate killing of human life is murder. Therefore, cancer treatment is murder.

"Alive" and "human genome" are bad arguments, really. The only argument we can possibly bring is consciousness, and a foetus does not have it yet (because of lack of a nervous system to generate consciousness). Also, there's the issue with women rights. I don't think abortion is justified in any and all cases, but a woman should have the right to decide about her body and future life.

In countries where abortion is legal, the abortion rates actually go down. And it is done in a safe environment. What happens when abortion is made illegal? Abortion will still happen, but there will be a lot more complications, which will cost a lot of money for insurances etc. and of course will cost human lives unnecessarily. So be reasonable.
 

Posted Feb 1, '14 at 6:38pm

Fiends

Fiends

114 posts

"Alive" and "human genome" are bad arguments, really. The only argument we can possibly bring is consciousness, and a foetus does not have it yet (because of lack of a nervous system to generate consciousness). Also, there's the issue with women rights. I don't think abortion is justified in any and all cases, but a woman should have the right to decide about her body and future life.

In countries where abortion is legal, the abortion rates actually go down. And it is done in a safe environment. What happens when abortion is made illegal? Abortion will still happen, but there will be a lot more complications, which will cost a lot of money for insurances etc. and of course will cost human lives unnecessarily. So be reasonable.



My main argument against abortion is that anyone STUPID enough to need to get one should probably be "aborted" herself. Rape babies are extraordinarily rare, so how does one "accidentally" get pregnant?

Most of these women are just too retarded to figure out a condom, let alone to abstain from sex with multiple random people whose baby they would be unwilling to bear. I really don't see why any of that should be the made into the baby's problem.

Libtards astonish the rational person by seeking to murder babies and to save the lives of condemned criminals. They release rapists from prison and then complain that abortions are needed because of rape babies. Maybe 180-degree stupidity looks exactly like intentional evil because it IS evil. (Just a thought.)
Abortion is a liberal phenomenon. As you know, liberals don't believe in things like responsibility and accountability. Abortion allows them to act irresponsibly without having to be held accountable.

Of course, the typical feminist twit will self-righteously state that it's her body and she can do whatever she likes with it. But is it? Perhaps her body belongs to God. Then again my experience with liberals shows that they're atheists who arrogantly assume their own role as "God". As such, they make up their own "morals" as they go. Only a sick, degenerate liberal can commit and/or justify the murder of an innocent life.

The lefturds only whine about "dead children" when they are killed with GUNS--which is something very hypocritical.
 

Posted Feb 1, '14 at 6:46pm

Pazx

Pazx

6,123 posts

Most of these women are just too retarded to figure out a condom, let alone to abstain from sex with multiple random people whose baby they would be unwilling to bear. I really don't see why any of that should be the made into the baby's problem.


1. Retarded is a slur, you display your intelligence by using it in a derogatory manner.
2. Contraception fails.
3. It's not "the baby's problem" because abortion does not involve a baby.
 

Posted Feb 1, '14 at 7:50pm

Freakenstein

Freakenstein

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My main argument against abortion is that anyone STUPID enough to need to get one should probably be "aborted" herself. Rape babies are extraordinarily rare, so how does one "accidentally" get pregnant?


When the contraception (the apparatus in your argument being the condom, for example) fails. Even a stable condom still has an 89% chance of working or an 11% chance to fail. This is before something unexpected happens, like the tearing of a condom, which does happen occasionally.

Most of these women are just too retarded to figure out a condom, let alone to abstain from sex with multiple random people whose baby they would be unwilling to bear. I really don't see why any of that should be the made into the baby's problem.


Let's refrain from generalizing the female gender and equating their intelligence to one deviation, shall we? We both know women have a diverse intelligence pool. The issue here is "knowledge", not "intellect".

Libtards astonish the rational person by seeking to murder babies and to save the lives of condemned criminals. They release rapists from prison and then complain that abortions are needed because of rape babies. Maybe 180-degree stupidity looks exactly like intentional evil because it IS evil. (Just a thought.)
Abortion is a liberal phenomenon. As you know, liberals don't believe in things like responsibility and accountability. Abortion allows them to act irresponsibly without having to be held accountable.
Of course, the typical feminist twit will self-righteously state that it's her body and she can do whatever she likes with it. But is it? Perhaps her body belongs to God. Then again my experience with liberals shows that they're atheists who arrogantly assume their own role as "God". As such, they make up their own "morals" as they go. Only a sick, degenerate liberal can commit and/or justify the murder of an innocent life.

The lefturds only whine about "dead children" when they are killed with GUNS--which is something very hypocritical.


Would you like a straw hat for your Strawman? I should also tag you under Ad Hominem. Refrain from using these fallacies and we will do just fine in here. To help you out in understanding, we have:

1. A completely unrelated issue being attributed to your main argument (jail releases, rapists being released, tacking these releases all under the stereotypical liberal).

2. Instead of attacking the issue at hand, you're attacking the opponent, or in this case, you're attacking the stereotype and equating them with "all or most" liberals, which is doubly wrong.

If you could perhaps learn from this to strengthen your line of reasoning better, that would be great.
 

Posted Feb 1, '14 at 7:53pm

Fiends

Fiends

114 posts

1. Retarded is a slur, you display your intelligence by using it in a derogatory manner.

You said it, it's a slur, so just because i said it i display my intelligence? Doesn't make sense.

2. Contraception fails.

Not really, you see so much marketing of contraception, you think someone would really sell a product that doesn't deliver?

3. It's not "the baby's problem" because abortion does not involve a baby.


Eugenics is the answer.


Conclusion: Abortion is murder, plain and simple. It's blaming an unborn for mistakes that aren't theirs.
 
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