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Well, I don't support abortion for personal or monetary reasons

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I think he means to make sound.

However, a late-term fetus can react/move in response to pain or discomfort. Also, what of the mute?

Mentally disabled folk are generally able to cry out, or thrash around

What of the paralyzed who cannot?

It wasn't my post, how am I supposed to know what he meant? And he who argues with those who argue for him loses trust.

Well, I don't support abortion for personal or monetary reasons by no way, but in case of raping or absolute no condition to help the supposely-going-to-born children - making it live in misery or inhuman ways, I think it's okay.

So, what if a poor woman has sex, gives birth, man runs off, woman is without money and was already without money? Also, why is it that in the second part of your post "Making it live in miserable or inhuman ways is okay" I mean, why TF would you say that? You want to spare a life but if it lands in a horrible place, i.e. underfunded, overcrowded foster home, a poor family, or on the streets, you have nothing to do with it and you don't care at all?

Also, why is it that in the second part of your post "Making it live in miserable or inhuman ways is okay" I mean, why TF would you say that?

I think what he was trying to say was he thinks abortion is ok in case of raping or absolute no condition to help the supposely-going-to-born children (making it live in misery or inhuman ways)

no, the baby have his/her own will to life

Step 1: Read previous 48 pages.
Step 2: Revoke your ill-thought out post and actually realize that
A: It is not a baby, it's a mass of cells.
B: It is entirely up to the woman
C: You have no right whatsoever to do anything about B

no, the baby have his/her own will to life

No, they don't have that capability at the stage that abortion usually takes place.

I believe it is ok if the mother did not intend to have the baby such as in **** other wise it is not

Going to work through this mindset again.

Why is it okay to abort in cases of **** and not other times?

Reasons I've seen for &quotro-life" (and I put that in quotations for sarcasm, because pro-choice isn't anti-life and saying pro-life implies the other side is not such) given for it in order of most common...

1) Irresponsibility
2) Value/sacredness of human life
3) Physical/emotional harm (Usually referring to child, but may include mother)
4) Unwated (**** specific)
5) Child is innocent

#1 is somewhat valid. It's true that a lot of abortions could have been avoided through the use of contraception, but this doesn't account for cases of failed contraception or simple bad choices. We're human, we make mistakes.

#2 is entirely hypocritical. By making the argument that human life is sacred but allowing an exception in cases of **** is basically dehumanizing everyone who is conceived from ****. Which through logical extension is saying that how someone is conceived determines whether they are a person or not.

#3 is a double edged sword. If the child finds out that they weren't wanted and were going to be aborted but the parent changed their mind, that harms the child. On the other hand, raising an unwanted child can easily lead to situations of abuse and high stress on the mother. Even through adoption, the mother still has to deal with the social stigma and physical labor.

#4 is backtracking to pro-choice. Simply reasoning that a woman should be able to abort in cases of **** because she did not want to have a child extends to every situation in which the woman did not want to have a child and accidentally ended up pregnant.

#5 is again, hypocritical. If the child is always innocent then it shouldn't matter if it was conceived through ****.

What it boils down to is:

If you are against abortion except in cases of **** and you believe human life is sacred/that unborn children are innocent, you're a hypocrite.

If you are against abortion because people should take responsibility for their actions, you are not taking into account other circumstances and are not considering the implications down the road. Further, you are naive to think that people simply won't make mistakes.

If you are against abortion in every case (except where mother's life would definitely be lost) then I congratulate you on at least having a consistent argument, if emotionally shallow and unnecessarily rigid in thinking.

unless keeping it alive would be torcher

Torture to who? And what is considered a 'tortured life'?