any of you actualy played gta4? answer is no. gta4 is not fun. its lost the sandbox fell and driving is no longer fun. original saints row however was more over the top than gta, but maintained the same sort of humor(freckle bitches). i found insurance fraud also to be awesome./driving was an easy en devour. skill was required during some driving missions but for the most part i enjoyed cruising the streets of the chicago inspired city by going full speed and sliding around every turn. try that in gta and your car will be ruined and cops will bust you two seconds in