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Step 4: Get some honest politicians in government! Preferably those who will be transparent, and not overspend the budget. I just don't see any government-cooperation now, given the whole springing up of minority parties which doesn't make for a good governing experience. Especially those Neo-Nazi criminal, women-hitting Golden Dawn punks.

Well, as for the Turkey point, doesn't Turkey want to join the EU? I would think that shows at least a partial commitment to upholding border peace. Or at least make it one of the pre-requisites. Of course, I don't know much of this, since my historical knowledge of the Turkish-Greek conflict ends in 1923.

because they tend to lower the GDP and generally the State's revenues, since as you said the revenue burden falls too heavily on honest taxpayers.

Anyway, the solution to this issue is quite simple: enforce the tax laws. It's that simple.

Yes, but which Greek government would dare to cut back on union benefits and such public spending largesse? Everyone is at fault to a certain degree; once you open the can of worms that is such generosity, no one would like to cut back on it and be seen as an electoral villain. Just look at those protests marches today at austerity. Unfortunately, the standard of living was artificially inflated in Greece and proved to be unsustainable. It was not founded on substance.

No, don't kick them out. You risk much more than that. Greece itself would go through a period of hyperinflation.

And the woes would almost certainly spread.

So, to paraphrase you Nicho, the standard of living of the politicians and their buddies was artificially inflated in Greece and proved to be unsustainable

I pay 8,000 Euros in taxes, even though I barely earn 11,000. **** yeah, I am going to protest against austerity!

The same Greek politicians that ***** and pillaged the state, now talk about "sacrifices" and austerity! For crying out loud, this is madness!
If austerity means raping and pillaging the *honest and law-abiding* taxpayers -again-, in order for the corrupt politicians to remain in power, austerity can go screw itself for all I care!

The Greek military has a ridiculous few thousand tanks for example.

I concur with most of the things you said, so ... yea.

doesn't Turkey want to join the EU? I would think that shows at least a partial commitment to upholding border peace.

doesn't Turkey want to join the EU? I would think that shows at least a partial commitment to upholding border peace.

turkey does not meet the human rights policy of the EU. aslong they don't fix it. it's very unlikely to happen.
turkey is the longest waiting country to join the EU. longer then estonia or latvia who already have joined now.

Oops, forgot to put my point in there. Anyways, I'm not to sure Turkey would like to join anything with any other country after how much they were screwed after WWI. They were pretty much left for dead by every country that hated them, and every country that tried to help them.

I assume te EU is an alliance team, correct? Much like the United Nations? You said they were trying to hold peace together.

Anyways, all of that was the opinion from a guy who's not well educated with Turkey-Greece relations.

assume te EU is an alliance team, correct? Much like the United Nations?

The EU is more an economic and political union than an alliance. NATO covers their military relations.

No, Turkey has always wanted to join the EU, making bids since 1987, and being a member of prior European organizations.

Step 4: Get some honest politicians in government! Preferably those who will be transparent, and not overspend the budget.

Especially those Neo-Nazi criminal, women-hitting Golden Dawn punks.

Wouldn't want to see kamikaze Hollande tax-the-rich-till-they-bleed policies though. A brain drain would shake things up even more.

Isn't it quite a cultural thing? Wouldn't this then be quite an effort?

Query: Keynes, Milton, or the middle road?

Also, stay in EU or leave?

how and why do we give greece nearly 70billion euro when we have to make a 17billion cut ourself next year. and have a debt of 373billion =S

but if you leave the euro. we don't have to safe you anymore to safe our own currency. would you like that better?

are you sure your greek. =P

Apropos, Spain, the Netherlands, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Belgium will fail to meet spending targets and may also miss the deficit target in 2013.

Sure, you won't have to save Greece, but you will have to save Belgium or whoever. For the foreseeable future, you just will always have a country or countries to save.

you just will always have a country or countries to save.

that realy isn't a answerd for my question.

spain we already gave 100billion whitout agreements. i case you fail the make a government this weekend.

not when all the countrys have enoufg discipline to keep their finance alright.

Frankly, it's probably too late for discipline. It's all going down the drain!

thanks for commenting and expressing your views on the matter

This bailout covers Spain's banks, but not its regions. The Spanish regions are heavily indebted and may need bailing out by the federal government, thus Spain is not safe at all. Moreover, the bailout itself also threatens to make Spain's situation even worse. The Spanish government borrowed the money and then will loan it to the banks, this means the bailout will add to Spain's sovereign debt. Y' know adding sovereign debt when you're in a sovereign debt crisis is definitely not a good idea.
And, if Spain goes down then Italy will too!

Could you please rephrase your question? So, I can provide you with a more satisfying answer.

but my question was, why we safe a other country, while we have to cut ourself to meet these targets and causes our national debt to increase by nearly 20%

Btw, Party if you want to understand the Crisis more in depth, the recent issue of The Economist has a brilliant article in its first few pages.