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ethan3300
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Please debate here.

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Jacen96
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Surely you have heard of his antics at Bain Capital and his oddly desperate attempts to cover it up?
Bain Capital ad joke it was, no reason to believe it there is.

Have I forgotten anything?
Forgotten nothing you have. Obama re-elected, should not be.
DionRainsmith
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Still whining about the birth certificate despite all proof? Yep, a loyal Fox News watcher.

"At one point, I made only 100,000 dollars per year! I was totally poor just like you guys!" Sounds familiar?

I'll give that list a look-over once I've had good rest. Gotta have an energized mind for cross-referencing sources.

"Obama did drugs!!!111!ONESHIFT!"

So did probably 80% of the entire freaking nation in that period of time. Romney, Bush, and any other repubs you're shooting for probably snorted crack, smoked pot, or took acid as well in their teen days. It was the "cool thing" among teens at that period of time, like Justin Beiber and claiming that you have Asperger's on the internet is the "cool thing" nowadays. Really stupid? Yes. Invalidates anything the person might do after finally growing up ever for the rest of their life? No.

You should turn off the TV (or at least watch something other than Fox News) once in a while and do some actual research. Quite a few of Obama's claims had some basis. After all, if Bain Capital was a lie, he wouldn't be panicking so much. Oh, and while he "retired" beforehand, there's evidence that he's been involved and influencing Bain for several years afterwards. I don't know what kind of stunt he was trying to pull with a false retirement, but he failed in completely hiding it. Bain itself was trying to be all hush about it as well, which merely adds suspicion.

Seeing as you honestly believe in the "birth certificate is a lie" drivel, I wouldn't be surprised if you got all that "Romney is an angel, Obama is lying!" from stubbornly biased pro-Republican sources. Which is why I'm going to give that list a good look-over. Might just be tl;dr bullcrap to try and frighten opponents.

I notice you've been conveniently avoiding the antics that pissed off so many women.

Jacen96
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Violates the constitution Obama does, why re-elected should he be.

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I don't understand the argument against Romney that "he would outsource money and companies from the US making it poorer and raising unemployment".

If he'd be president, surely he'd lower all corporate taxes, and thus reduce the incentive for outsourcing, no? Or am I missing something...

nichodemus
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Mitt has made an equal amount of gaffes as Obama has, if not more, and much more serious ones overseas to boot. Pissing off world opinion Ben before stepping into office is never good.

Suppose we go by policies alone. Romney advocates laissez faire market policies which have shown themselves to fail miserably pre 1930s much less a globalized earth today. He advocates a trade policy that can be as leaning into protectionist territory. This would be a complete disaster, instead of looking at why Americas exports are not well received, Romney advocates much more drastic action which in the end will only harm Americas consumers. Raising tariffs for one against China will mean Americans have fewer choices and more expensive ones at that. Do people want that?

And giving tax cuts to the rich is bordering on ludicrous. The rich do not need tax cuts more than the middle class and people need. The poor are the ones most badly hit, having the "rugged individual" mindset that Reps of yore will do nothing at all. You have the spirit, so what? If there are no jobs you can have as much spunk but still earn zilch.

kevin8ye
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Out of all of them, probably John Paul

nichodemus
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Dont you mean Ron Paul.

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If a woman is irresponsible enough to make a baby that she doesn't want in the first place, then she goes and basically kills it because she doesn't want to be responsible for a kid. Alot of people say that abortion is okay, but we've all known since we were in kindergarten that two wrongs don't make a right. **** is a different story. Not to mention, Obama supports gay marriage. The reason the word gay became a word that meant dumb, wrong, weird, and other things is because that what it is. No offense homosexuals but I don't think gay marriage is meant to be.

TheMostManlyMan
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Yep, a loyal Fox News watcher.
you're right, we can't trust a thing that fox news says because they say nothing but lies, according to their competitors who are trying to put them out of business.
i rest my case

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HahiHa
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If a woman is irresponsible enough to make a baby that she doesn't want in the first place, then she goes and basically kills it because she doesn't want to be responsible for a kid. Alot of people say that abortion is okay, but we've all known since we were in kindergarten that two wrongs don't make a right. **** is a different story. Not to mention, Obama supports gay marriage. The reason the word gay became a word that meant dumb, wrong, weird, and other things is because that what it is. No offense homosexuals but I don't think gay marriage is meant to be.

Saying stuff like that is easy for someone who is neither unwantedly pregnant or homosexual. You don't realize the bigger picture.

you're right, we can't trust a thing that fox news says because they say nothing but lies, according to their competitors who are trying to put them out of business.

More likely, according to the whole world except republicans.
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More likely, according to the whole world except republicans.
because everyone else disagrees with them and likes their own socialist ways

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Krill11
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Yep, a loyal Fox News watcher.


Oh, and I do research, and I do not wach Fox. For one, way too extremist for my taste...

Panic means many things, making up only one possible solution doesn't mean it is true or false. The truth makes things True or false...

Actually, I have seen more middle class, as well as small business owners, get hit equal to, in many cases even more than the poor...

"Obama did drugs!!!111!ONESHIFT!"

So did probably 80% of the entire freaking nation in that period of time. Romney, Bush, and any other repubs you're shooting for probably snorted crack, smoked pot, or took acid as well in their teen days. It was the "cool thing" among teens at that period of time,...

...Really stupid? Yes. Invalidates anything the person might do after finally growing up ever for the rest of their life? No.


My point was the lying part, not just the drugs part.
Oh and drugs more often than not ruin lives btw.

Mitt has made an equal amount of gaffes as Obama has,


And Obama makes half of those up...

Raising tariffs for one against China will mean Americans have fewer choices and more expensive ones at that. Do people want that?


Not necessarily, it could create more options for more American businesses, thus doing the opposite of what you are claiming...

More likely, according to the whole world except republicans.

[quote]because everyone else disagrees with them and likes their own socialist ways
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Umm, What?

Saying stuff like that is easy for someone who is neither unwantedly pregnant or homosexual. You don't realize the bigger picture.


Of course it is easier. Making choices early makes things easier. Easy? No! Easier, yes. (oh, and i don't think you can be unwanted homosexual)


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My point was the lying part, not just the drugs part.

Every president or political leader or CEO has made tons of promises that won't be fulfilled. I find it gratuitous to judge someone by them only, and I'm always amazed that people still are as naive as to expect a president to fulfill all promises.

Oh and drugs more often than not ruin lives btw.

Why is that? Too often, the reason is because they're criminalized instead of regularized.

(oh, and i don't think you can be unwanted homosexual)

Apart from the fact that most homosexuals didn't decide to be so, what I wanted to say was [unwantedly pregnant] OR [homosexual]. Clear now?
Krill11
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Yes, I just thought it humerus the way you put it, as i believe you did to!
XD

Why is that? Too often, the reason is because they're criminalized instead of regularized.


One word, Alcohol...

Two more words, Cigarettes/tobacco...

Another few, Illegal possession...


Every president or political leader or CEO has made tons of promises that won't be fulfilled. I find it gratuitous to judge someone by them only, and I'm always amazed that people still are as naive as to expect a president to fulfill all promises.


...True, but first off, Do they make promises that they know they cant keep?
Do they make little effort to keep them, Or do they try hard to keep their promises, even when the odds are stacked against them?
Do they truly try to do what is right?
This is what I judge on, this is how I think. Not just what is said, but how it is said, and what is done...

Very few people I have seen with these morals, though, as Every Man, Every Woman, and Every Child should be working on, myself included...

Human perfection is not perfection, its how hard they try to do their best...

~Krill11
nichodemus
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Not necessarily, it could create more options for more American businesses, thus doing the opposite of what you are claiming...


No this goes against the Economics grain. If America does not have a CA in manufacturing then it's goods will be more expensive then Chjnese goods because cost of production is naturally going to be higher. People only view the business possibly gaining, but what if you were just a consumer? We have already seen this before; America tried to protect it's steel industry which was grossly allocative and productively inefficient, leading to car prices rising pre 2000.

Also protectionism is never justified unless you're protecting infant industries and even that is tenuous. Domestic producers themselves lose out in the end as protectionism gives the aura of stability; they have no competiion to worry about which would lead to allocative, productive, and X inefficiency. We too have seen this in the 1930s when most countries, attempted beggar thy neighbor policies. No government likes to be viewed as the bad guy and remove suh tariffs, look at the inefficient Japanese and European farmers.

Protectionism will also lead to retaliation from other countries, worsening the entire situation. That is why I have no support for Romney's economics policy. And the cutting taxes for the rich part is pretty much scandalous too.
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