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Have you noticed that the USA has slipped from its founding principles? Our founding fathers came to america in an attempt to escape prosacution and what are we doing posacuting mexicans who do jobs we dont want, most of them have more patriotism then most of our government officials. Now we think we can go around "fixing the world" by starting war??!! So my question to you fellow armorgamers what happend to the good ol USA?
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well the USA has gone to absolute hell ever since Bush came into presidency. We started a war for no reason, and now he's passed the Patriate act... Do you know what this act does???? It gives law enforcement the right to search you, your house, your personal belongings without a search warrent if they suspect you to be a terrorist... Now they could just say that you search everything about you... IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I guess what i am trying to say is that the main reason people not from America dont like America is its hypocrisy about lots of things. For example you can buy guns at wal mart and yet when rappers mention the word gun in a song there is a congressional hearing. Things like that just seem so stupid. Also lots of people outside America think Americans are fools(not me) because of George Bush. It hasn't helped Americas image having a president who should still be at school.
Good ol America????
LOOOOOOLLLLL
THERE WAS NEVER A GOOD OL AMERICA...
WELL,IT STOPED BEING GOOD SINCE YOU ENGLISH-AMERICAN FAGOTS KILLED INDIANS YOU FUCKING RACISTS!
@ serb warrior you cant say that about the people who are in america now. I mean by that standing as i guess form your name you are serbian i could blame u for all of the genocide in the 90s due to the serbian soldiers + milosovic. But i dont because it was a long time ago and probably had nothing to do with you. You shouldnt generalise about races and people or blame them for things that have happened in the past. I mean they have just elected a black man to be up for the presidency so what you are saying is a little hypocritical.
it depends what the USA comes under, if you mean bush then maybe it aint so great, but some of the 'common' people can be amazing. I don't really know what to say on this topic other than you cant class the whole of the US as rubbish. But you definatley can say that some parts are terrible. But where would we be without oreos!
Lol necro and drainslug
@drainslug tho i am not generalising about the USA and some of the places ive bin there ive thought wow that makes West London look rele bad. However i am just stating that that is what a lot of people in Europe think about America and why that is. Trying to give Americans perspective on how they are viewed that is all i didnt mean to caus eany offence.
woody, i am fine with what people say, i am british! and yes everywhere has its good bits and its bad bits but because america is so big and powerful its bad bits are quite big, but so are its good bits. woody, all i was trying to do, as u were, was to make people think. =]
The U.S. is falling apart.The economy is worsening and the poeple are going mad.This all changes when we get a new president.
i dont like the US anymore!!! the gov is hiding to much from us in the war. they are brain washing us yo!!!!! well at least we are safe here!!!
The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
The Good Old United States of America is neither Good, nor Old, nor United.
The founding fathers were revolutionary at the time, seeking to take liberty to new heights, escaping the tyranny of imperialism, colonialism and religious fundamentalism of European powers, especially England. But they were slave-owners and native-killers... America was founded on some very human principles and high ideals but even in the good old days it wasn't entirely good.
It's got worse and it's got better. There's no more race-based slavery (only wage-slavery) and there's no domestic genocide (only domestic suppression and tacit support for foreign genocide). Democracy has more tools (like the internet) as well as more active and educated participants than ever before, though democracy's enemies have power powerful tools (like the mass media) and wealthy proponents than ever before. Americans with money are among the freest people in the world, Americans without money are still better off than the poor in other parts of the world. Freedom of thought has been impinged upon in a thousand ways (back to mass media, advertising, Hollywood, etc) but also expanded upon (highly educated people in top-notch universities making steady/revolutionary human progress in many fields like sociology, psychology, philosophy).
All of the things we've been seeing since Bush got in... they're nothing special. They're unsurprising. They fit perfectly with the historical context. Most of what we're seeing, especially on the foreign policy front, is nothing new at all. The best way to resist change that you don't want and support change that you do want is to arm yourself with knowledge and to become empowered in a hundred ways.
"Squeak! Squeak!" said the mouse, and the elephant fled in terror, tail between his legs.
"Squeak! Squeak!" said the mouse, and ate his cheese.
Although I have no idea what the 'Squeak Squeak Mouse' thing was Squalick is kindve right with us getting better. But ask yourselves have those things really made us better? The internet is no used for porn, internet rape, and some other grotesque things.
Our advance in medicine although helpful to diagnose problems have really done nothing. There have not been many new helpful procedures in areas that really count. Although we continue to understand our minds better we are making no real progress with helping PTSD(like soliders back from the front) and may never find any other type of help for them other than therepy.(which is dodgey at best)
Now we have also made some advances in racial equality but people still cling to the outdated racist outlook on life. No offence to anyone ment by my next comment but I've seen it so many times that I have to say something about it. Evey time a non-white person gets fired, pay-decrease or have something else happen to them that is bad they scream racism and while admittly sometimes it is I would say that 3/4 of the time it is not but just economics or just had to happen and has happend to many people other than him.
So we are technologically better but socially...well we have some things to work on.
I can see where you're coming from with your race comment. There is still a lot of racism in the United States and in Canada as well, and there probably will be for a long time, and I'm sure that it will keep finding subtle ways to operate in societies that claim to have rejected it, but there are a lot of defensive people who love to feel like a victim even when they aren't. There's a sort of self-righteous vindication that comes with being treated unfairly, because that way you feel confident that you deserve better, and sometimes that's all people have. Sometimes people are just opportunistic and dishonest, too.
The underlying problem is that a lot of people are getting cheated out of jobs, are being treated like sh*t by others, and are having to struggle through enormous adversity in an unfair environment - whether or not racism has anything to do with it. If we don't fix these fundamental problems then there will always be people to wave the race flag, rightly or wrongly. Besides, racism is cultivated best when people are desperate and angry; when people feel the need someone to blame for something. That's really the root of racism, and I think we spend too much time worrying about the branches.
I think that the biggest problem in regards to dealing with post traumatic stress disorder is just the sheer quantity of veterans returning from Iraq with psychological problems. These people are always gonna have problems in their lives, but they can be helped. Therapy, time off work for them and their families, vacations at special resorts, etc. It's expensive, however, and the government isn't willing to spend money on people in large numbers. Maybe some guy can get a new robotic arm, but he has to appear on television with George Bush.
Maybe I was too vague talking about progress in psychology/sociology/philosophy. This progress hasn't really manifested itself in a useful way yet. I just remain hopeful and optimistic that it can and it will. I think we understand better than ever how to be healthy, physically (nutrition and exercise), mentally (education and critical thinking) and spiritually (meditation and friendship)... though we've created a world in which it's much easier and essentially automatic to be extremely unhealthy.
Medicine... that's a mixed blessing, isn't it? We're able to cure and treat so many diseases now, but we're swimming in imperfect drugs that create more problems than they solve. I really have an objection to the abuse of anti-depressants, I think that they make people crazy and dumb and, even if they do work somewhat, it's still a bandaid on a gaping wound. Medicine has improved a lot but I think societies ought to take a more preventive approach than a reactive approach.
So we are technologically better but socially...well we have some things to work on.
Do you think that being technologically better might be directly connected to being socially worse? You mentioned internet porn, that might be an example of how.
The thing with the mouse and the elephant, that was about people-power, confidence, and the underdog. The little mouse got his cheese in the end. That's like citizens. Except for that citizens need to act in groups, and have to be prepared to cope with short-term failures if they are ever going to achieve long-term success.
One of the ways America has gotten better is in its political activism. The Iraq war was the first war in history to be protested against before it was launched. BEFORE! Normally the public just reacts against things that it doesn't like once it discovers that it doesn't like them: Vietnam wasn't even protested against in a big way until it became a big problem and bad media attention accumulated. But, in 2003, a lot of people in the US already knew what they wanted and didn't want, what they thought was right and what was wrong, and they were already connected with one another and with people from all over the world, ready to organize! (The internet comes back again, but more positively now) That's something incredible, I think, and that connects to both technological and social improvement.
For some, the most beautiful places in the world are the corners and crevices where enlightenment hides, calmly chuckling away at the rest of humanity from a safe distance.
I agree. The United States of America is nothin like it used to be.
Cough* Remember that every country has a time of EEEVVIL! If you really look at it closely, we are doing pretty good in comparison with the others. We can still improve if this time is our worst. (I just hope we haven't become too lazy to change o.o )
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