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Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:04am

Asherlee

Asherlee

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Introduction

I was watching something on National Geographic the other day and something about asexuals came up. I was a bit intrigued, but they did not go into as much detail as I wanted. I figured that sense we have a good group of discussioners (just made that word up), then we could all learn something.

What is Asexuality?

Wikipedia says: Asexuality describes individuals who do not experience sexual attraction and is considered by some to be a sexual orientation.[1] Asexuality as a human sexual orientation has only been recognized and defined in a few academic studies since the late 1970s, and a community of self-identified asexuals has only coalesced since the start of the 21st century, aided by the widening popularity of online communities.[1] One commonly cited study placed the incidence rate of asexuality at 1%.[2] Asexuality is not the same as celibacy, which is the deliberate abstention from sexual activity; many asexuals do have sex,[3] and most celibates are not asexual.

How does this fit into the Kinsey Sexuality Scale?

Alfred Kinsey was aware of an asexual element in the population but did little to investigate it. His Kinsey scale of sexual orientation consisted of a single axis lying between heterosexuality and homosexuality with bisexuality in between, and thus left no place for asexuality. In the Kinsey Reports of 1948 and 1953, subjects were scaled from 0 (completely heterosexual) to 6 (completely homosexual), but a separate category of X was created for those with "no socio-sexual contacts or reactions".[4][5] He labeled 1.5% of the adult male population as "X"

Questions

1. Is asexuality even real? I am skeptical. I don't see how one could be asexual given the hormones we all have.

2. Do you think it is purely sexual or does it involve romantic notions?

3. Given that it is real and does exist, could it be a result of a trauma?

4. Would you classify this as a mental disorder given the fact that their body has the right hormones, etc?

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:12am

woody_7007

woody_7007

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Iron - Prince

I have never heard of this. It sounds pretty weird to me altho if there have been scientific studies then it must be true. Is it a disorder with the hormones in peoples bodies or do they just choose not to have sex because it doesnt do anything for them?

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:17am

daswiftarrow

daswiftarrow

842 posts

Iron - Knight

ive studied this in... 7th grade, a majority of cells (yes the ones in people and plants) are asexual

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:21am

Asherlee

Asherlee

3,246 posts

Iron - Princess

Please read the post, then give an educated opinion on the matter.  It says human individuals in it.

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:31am

necromancer

necromancer

571 posts

Wood - Knight

Are the conservatives also banning asexual marriage?

I would like to see some report, on conditions asexual people commonly have, do they have a higher rate of post-traumatic stress disorder, or learning disabilities?

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:34am

daswiftarrow

daswiftarrow

842 posts

Iron - Knight

hmmm well this is a tough one for human indivisuals, i didnt think it could happen, but after reading your post asherlee, idk anymore

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:36am

Asherlee

Asherlee

3,246 posts

Iron - Princess

Necromancer, I would freaking doubt it! That is the quote of the day!

Anyway, it says there is very little research on asexuality. I am skeptical about it. It is almost like a somatoform disorder in my eyes.   There is obviously a population of people that consider themselves asexual. Could it be that they just haven't met the right person?

But, I agree. There has to be something that has effected their MENTAL state in the past. This might need to be where I take my thesis.

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:38am

daswiftarrow

daswiftarrow

842 posts

Iron - Knight

i would think more about it, thing is i didnt wake up more than 10 or 15 minutes ago

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:44am

Strop

Strop

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Iron - Prince

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Ah, to psychoanalyse, or to medicalise...that is the question.

One could do either or even both, seeing as labels are political but also presumably reflective of something else. Here's two examples:

1) A friend of mine called himself asexual because of a reaction to a crisis of sexual identity. I myself, in my latter stages of school, took up the asexual banner as a stand against what I saw to be the stifling heternormative construct that tended to dominate school social dynamics. At the time I said "well I don't appear to have homosexual inclinations" and also "I don't have any interest in this sleazy world of picking up chicks etc." so I said "fine, I'm asexual."

I would, however, note that in many cases (mine included) the 'asexual' label can often be a way of hiding skeletons in the closet.

2) The partner of another friend of mine had a stroke which precipitated alcoholic dementia, after which (as can commonly be the case for this kind of presentation), they completely lost the conception of 'sex' and the ability to be aroused. This would, I suppose, in a medical sense make them 'asexual' but seeing as they were in a same-sex relationship this would differ from the identity-politic domain of previous...perhaps that person considered themselves still homosexual due to their relationship. I wasn't clear on that detail as it didn't appear particularly relevant.

One has to remember that any discussion pertaining to 'sexuality' and various orientations, predilections and 'alternatives' fall under the current rhetoric (which I hold to be unwieldy), and thus confound a whole bunch of domains. We had difficulty making any semblance of a definition of homosexuality. Hell, I bet the same would apply to heterosexuality. And given that the reported sample space is so small here, it'd be even harder to define 'asexuality'.

Also, by psychiatric definition (DSM-IV TR recommendations...which I support in this case), something isn't a pathology unless it causes much distress or maladaptive functioning. From above, the former wasn't pathological (assuming that could even be called 'asexual')...the latter most certainly was. More for the partner of said dementia patient.

Speaking of which, personally I wonder what would happen if we ran a series on the 'paraphilias'.

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:51am

woody_7007

woody_7007

2,350 posts

Iron - Prince

It must either be a hormonal defect or something psychological. It must be either a very rare hormonal defect or a very rare personaluty disorder. The figure of 1% of people being asexual sounds high to me. I mean 1 % of the people i know arent asexual. I would have thought it would be more like 1 person in every 10 thousand so like 0.001% of people.

 

Posted Jun 13, '08 at 11:58am

Asherlee

Asherlee

3,246 posts

Iron - Princess

*plays the music of great understanding*

I would, however, note that in many cases (mine included) the 'asexual' label can often be a way of hiding skeletons in the closet.

I think you are very correct here. It is a great scapegoat. What makes me more curious at this point, is where does this need to hide come from? This makes me think of previous traumatic experiences, etc.

The partner of another friend of mine had a stroke which precipitated alcoholic dementia, after which (as can commonly be the case for this kind of presentation), they completely lost the conception of 'sex' and the ability to be aroused. This would, I suppose, in a medical sense make them 'asexual'...

Okay, so we have a pathology and a true medical condition. Can you explain why alcoholic dementia led to asexuality?

 
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