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Posted Oct 22, '12 at 9:59am

sensanaty

sensanaty

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Is Global Warming real?

I've recently read a book (State of Fear, Michael Chrichton) which changed my mind greatly about Global Warming. The book goes on about how false everything the media says about global warming truly is. It presents hundreds of sources from a whole lot of sources (NASA, being the prevalent one)

Basically, major points that are not true about Global Warming:

-Polar Ice caps are actually freezing up. There is one tiny piece of Antarctica that is melting, and the general mass is not aware of this. The ice in Greenland and Antarctica can expand up to 11km daily.
-CO2 has risen by quite a step in the last 150 years. But, it does not in any way correlate with the warming of the Earth. From the 1940-1970's, CO2 has risen a lot, but during these 30 years the earth got colder.
-Urban Heat Island effect. Major cities like New York City are rising in temperature due to concrete and asphalt everywhere. In nearby cities in the same state(Albany in this case), the temperature decreased. New York city, from 1822-1993 the temperature has risen by 4,2 degrees Fahrenheit
Albany which is not far from NYC, 1820-2000, temperature decreases from 49.5 - 47.5 degrees fahrenheit.

And Albany is not an anomaly. Many other cities(around the world)are the same. McGill, NV, temperature falls. Guthrie, OK, temperature falls. Oswego, NY, temperature also falls. So basically, the only places where temperatures have risen in the last two hundred years is where major cities are at.

Opinions?

 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 10:09am

sensanaty

sensanaty

1,145 posts

Oh my, forgot to put sources.

For the statistics of temperatures of city's just go to siss.nasa.gov

Heat Island Effect


Source 1 Source 2(Wikipedia, deal with it)

Polar Ice Caps melting


Source, will include more if I find
 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 10:32am

TheMostManlyMan

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also to add to the lies, the chart they will show you saying that the temperatures are going up so much, they're real charts, they just blow them up and make it look like it's going really far up when in reality it hasn't even gone up 2 degrees (Fahrenheit) in the last 50 years, in fact i don't think that it even went up 1 degree in the last 50 or more (don't remember) years.

people say there's global warming, then some place will go and get a record low temperature, it's kinda funny really.

 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 11:00am

Kasic

Kasic

5,740 posts

1) Global Warming is an outdated term. A more accurate term is Climate Change.

2) There is documented data and research that the climate is changing.

3) It is up for speculation on how much influence our actions have over this change.

 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 11:22am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,477 posts

State of Fear, Michael Chrichton

Ah, I read that a few years ago. Usually he used pseudo-facts to enforce a point (like a character saying something in a way that the reader assumes it's true), and there was some of that, but this time he had many real sources, which was impressive.

Anyway, we only have about 130 years of recorded temperature data to work with, and some of that might not be accurate. Any assumption of the cause this early is still just an assumption. Corelation=/=causation.

http://www.venganza.org/images/PiratesVsTemp.png
 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 12:01pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,305 posts

Knight

-Polar Ice caps are actually freezing up. There is one tiny piece of Antarctica that is melting, and the general mass is not aware of this. The ice in Greenland and Antarctica can expand up to 11km daily.

This is fallacious as Antarctica isn't exactly the best example for the effect of climate change. Usually, it is not the Antarctic we talk about, but the Arctic, which has been declining:

"Sea ice near the Antarctic Peninsula, south of the tip of South America, has recently experienced a significant decline. The rest of Antarctica has experienced a small increase in Antarctic sea ice.

Antarctica and the Arctic are reacting differently to climate change partly because of geographical differences. Antarctica is a continent surrounded by water, while the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land. Wind and ocean currents around Antarctica isolate the continent from global weather patterns, keeping it cold. In contrast, the Arctic Ocean is intimately linked with the climate systems around it, making it more sensitive to changes in climate."

Source

-CO2 has risen by quite a step in the last 150 years. But, it does not in any way correlate with the warming of the Earth. From the 1940-1970's, CO2 has risen a lot, but during these 30 years the earth got colder.

CO2 isn't necessarily the most important agent causing warming of the atmosphere, but it is correlated to temperature nonetheless. Probably not significant in small timelapses, as it might need some time to react (causing the apparent dissimilarity); but this is what we see in bigger timelapses:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Vostok_Petit_data.svg/800px-Vostok_Petit_data.svg.png
Source

-Urban Heat Island effect. Major cities like New York City are rising in temperature due to concrete and asphalt everywhere. In nearby cities in the same state(Albany in this case), the temperature decreased. New York city, from 1822-1993 the temperature has risen by 4,2 degrees Fahrenheit
Albany which is not far from NYC, 1820-2000, temperature decreases from 49.5 - 47.5 degrees fahrenheit.

Climate change doesn't meant hat it gets hotter everywhere; this is a fallacious statement usually proclamied only by the opponents of climate change. It's very possible that it gets cooler locally, and I'm not surprised that cities, which have a huge ecological impact, influence local climate that way.

also to add to the lies, the chart they will show you saying that the temperatures are going up so much, they're real charts, they just blow them up and make it look like it's going really far up when in reality it hasn't even gone up 2 degrees (Fahrenheit) in the last 50 years, in fact i don't think that it even went up 1 degree in the last 50 or more (don't remember) years.

Earth does get warmer, maybe not by one degree in the last 50 years, but behold the evidence from the NASA Earth Observatory:

"According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASAâs Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) and shown in this series of maps, the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8°Celsius (1.4°Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade."
Source

people say there's global warming, then some place will go and get a record low temperature, it's kinda funny really.

Again - regional records, cold or hot, are part of climate change, because climate change means climate deregulation, and the effects aren't the same everywhere; but globally, over time, earth is heating up and it is perfectly natural as we are getting out of a glacial period. Humans are merely speeding the process up a little, nothing more.

In conclusion: climate change is a reality, live with it.
 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 3:54pm

partydevil

partydevil

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It presents hundreds of sources from a whole lot of sources (NASA, being the prevalent one)


if it has nasa as source of that, then the whole thing is a lie.

nasa has a site especialy made for this topic. and everything on it tells you that climate change is real.

if nasa is the source, then you can always track it down. everything nasa say's can be found on their site.


so clonclusion: you have been brainwashed by some guy that was desperate to find proof for his lies.
and putting the name nasa there is his biggest fault.
why should i trust anything this guy say's?

come live in my country for 10 year and you will see climate change is very real whit your own eye's.
 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 5:46pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,130 posts

For the statistics of temperatures of city's just go to siss.nasa.gov


can't access website.
definitely not the real deal.
 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 5:54pm

Salvidian

Salvidian

4,299 posts

yeah it is totally a joke


Why are you so quick to debunk it without any evidence?

Personally, I think it's a bit too early to decide if the earth is warming up. We only have 100 or so years of recorded temperatures, which isn't much to go by. A good number would be, like, 5k years.
 

Posted Oct 22, '12 at 6:02pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,130 posts

We only have 100 or so years of recorded temperatures, which isn't much to go by. A good number would be, like, 5k years.


we have records for a bit more then 220 year.

and the biggest changes has happend in the last 60 year.

if your still doubting, then i suggest you to read over the website that i linked.
give it a hour and you will have no doubt anymore.
 
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