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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 3:13pm

VonHeisenbourg
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god - definitely not
big bang theory - science is mostly pointing at this. therefor i have to take itas a serious possibility. and therefor inserted it in my own theory.
after the last black hole has sucked in everything left. it will start to "eat" from itself. until it implodes and BIG BANG the cycle starts again.
(see it more as a expension on the big bang theory.)
universe has always existed - yes and no. - yes it has always existed. - no not this universe alone. there have been others befor and there will be others after this one.
there is no solid proof for the big bang and especially not for god.
so yea like everyone i believe it whitout solid proof.
So is that a long fancy, interesting way of saying:
God - No
Big Bang Theory - Maybe
My Theory - Most likely in my opinion
We Just Don't Know - In truth most likely
:D
not whit this specific idea. it came from my own mind. but i bet there are others who hold the same believe that it always has existed. i just dunno if they got the same theory.
Ah, I understand and respect that, sorry if when I asked you it came off as rude/patronizing.
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 3:29pm

partydevil
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whooi submit when not done ^^
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what?
no it will be.
God - No
Big Bang Theory - yes
My Theory - yes
We Just Don't Know - In truth most likely (dunno what you mean whit this)
anyway you asked me to explain i didn't went fancy by myself =)
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 3:42pm

VonHeisenbourg
200 posts
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what?
Errr, that was meant to be a little ummm simplified chart (not quite, but you know what I mean) of your thoughts on the matter.
In truth most likely
That was supposed to mean you thought that the best explanation for the existence of the totality of existence was "we just don't".
Sorry for being confusing, I'm just that complicated that I am difficult to understand :)
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 3:49pm

MageGrayWolf
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my theory was that inside the bubble there is something sucking the gum in. (black holes) until it has sucked up all the gum. and then blows a bubble by itself.
As noted it isn't a bubble. The expansion of the universe wouldn't allow for it all to be sucked into a black hole. In fact with the expansion accelerating it's likely that it will eventually overtake localized gravitational attraction. that means Galaxies will be ripped apart, new stars won't be able to form an so forth. It would be like a black hole effect in reverse. Gravity is trying to pull things together and right now it can win out on a localized scale. But the force that is pulling everything apart is getting stronger. Like a treadmill going faster and faster. So there should be a tipping point where that attraction can't overcome the pull.
We can even see now that the pull from black holes on the larger scale isn't enough to overcome this universe expansion. Each galaxy likely has a super-massive black hole and for the most part they are showing a red shift away from us.
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 5:50pm

partydevil
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As noted it isn't a bubble. The expansion of the universe wouldn't allow for it all to be sucked into a black hole. In fact with the expansion accelerating it's likely that it will eventually overtake localized gravitational attraction. that means Galaxies will be ripped apart, new stars won't be able to form an so forth. It would be like a black hole effect in reverse. Gravity is trying to pull things together and right now it can win out on a localized scale. But the force that is pulling everything apart is getting stronger. Like a treadmill going faster and faster. So there should be a tipping point where that attraction can't overcome the pull.
We can even see now that the pull from black holes on the larger scale isn't enough to overcome this universe expansion. Each galaxy likely has a super-massive black hole and for the most part they are showing a red shift away from us.
oke ive been thinking about this one. or 2 actually.
i probably need more time tho. (think better and present it better.)
but what IF we see the black holes as sort of vacuum cleaners that cleans up all what is left when the universe is thinned and cooled and then explodes.
or that they go on untill nothing is left for them and then they do a small big bang that keeps the universe from stopping forever. =o
We can even see now that the pull from black holes on the larger scale isn't enough to overcome this universe expansion.
i'm really interested in this part. you know how they call it? aka what do i type in google =P
it's been a while since i got busy on black holes. something new will be great. ^^
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 6:04pm

HahiHa
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but what IF we see the black holes as sort of vacuum cleaners that cleans up all what is left when the universe is thinned and cooled and then explodes.
or that they go on untill nothing is left for them and then they do a small big bang that keeps the universe from stopping forever. =o
Assuming you have the thinned out universe and one big black hole, that absorbs 90% of the mass (the rest being "out of reach", so to speak) before expansing (assuming black holes do that). Each time this happens, some matter is lost flying out in the void. After several iterations there may not even be enough matter left to create a new expansion, and the universe ends in a final black hole burp :P
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 6:10pm

Jerrbear65
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I wonder what happens in these black holes, any theories?
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 6:17pm

MageGrayWolf
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oke ive been thinking about this one. or 2 actually.
i probably need more time tho. (think better and present it better.)
but what IF we see the black holes as sort of vacuum cleaners that cleans up all what is left when the universe is thinned and cooled and then explodes.
or that they go on untill nothing is left for them and then they do a small big bang that keeps the universe from stopping forever. =o
If Hawkins theory on black holes is correct what we should expect is for them to slowly evaporate. Even if they just exploded eventually the expansion of the universe would be at a point where anything released would just be spread apart to fast for the matter to clump back together to form anything.
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Posted Nov 3, '12 at 6:18pm

HahiHa
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As far as I know (though the last thing I've heard about it was quite some while ago), black holes are thought to be points of immense gravity, which is why they absorb everything, and it all lands in the center, a single point in the mathematical definition of the term (meaning a point with no spacial dimensions). Now whether this is still actual, I don't know.
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Posted Nov 4, '12 at 6:09am

Getoffmydangle
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I wanted to bring this back to Dr Doughnut's original question. Here is what I know for sure: I'm 29, so the universe is at least that old from my understanding (assuming you believe in measuring time linearly). I would also have to guess that the universe pre-dates my parents, who are in their 60's. Similarly, I'm willing to bet that the universe was around when my grandmother was born...but she is the oldest person I know. Now, I can't know for sure if anything existed before I did. Some people might be skeptical, but I'm willing to take that leap of faith. So in conclusion, I think the universe is at least 94 years old.
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