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Obama, 2012-2016 President of the United States of America

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 12:45am

Xzeno

Xzeno

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or assassinate Romney should he have won.

Yes because we want Ryan to lead this country.

Now the question is will the Republicans quit blocking all his bills or will they finally start thinking about helping Americans to get back on track in a bi partisan way?

His bills? I hope hope you know that your ignorant partisanship and misunderstanding of the role of the president contributes to executive empowerment and, more generally, totalitarianism.

Well you all know my opinion. I think Obama sucks. Romney sucks. The system sucks. Democracy sucks. The usual stuff.

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 12:46am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

4,413 posts

Rupert from Survivor didn't win Governor of Indiana.

What?! Alright...brb guys...goin to set Indiana on fire

I agree, look at all the red states!

My state was a red state...despite that fact that we'd benefit more with a Democratic president -_-™

At least Obama tried to do something.

^This

People seem to tend to forget that he has to deal with a mostly Republican congress

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 12:47am

Devoidless

Devoidless

2,907 posts

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Yes because we want Ryan to lead this country.

Pfft, I'd be long gone by then. It was more of a 'It's the thought that counts' deal. ^_^

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 12:59am

jeol

jeol

3,341 posts

So the person with a lot of money is more unqualified because he has too much money to understand normal people that don't have money, obviously since he has much more than them? (since no one can earn money with integrity; they're all corporate executives who steal and find loopholes in your system since the way that you manage your money doesn't work, so they must be exploiting it since they do have money) And even though he seems to understand deficit in spending?

(I find the fact that the president receives more money than some people have to use to pay just half their debts hilarious.)

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 1:08am

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,621 posts

(I find the fact that the president receives more money than some people have to use to pay just half their debts hilarious.)

Many people earn more then the President. It's power, not money that lies in the position.

Yay, Obama won! Obama may not do much, but Romney would send the US into the ground with no intention of giving a helping hand. Lesser of two weevils, in Aubrey's sense.

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 1:10am

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

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I flipped on a friend of mine when he posted "Woot! Now I can finish school and get my degree!"

The college system is broken. College is important, and we have a bunch of people who are profiting off of this. Now, that's PERFECTLY FINE. Profit is OKAY. However, the way in which they profit is not. They determine what classes students have to take and how many so they can obtain a degree to get a job. Because of this, they require students to give up many years of their life as well as a mother **** load of money so they may potentially obtain a job that may or may not be in demand.

The above scam is pretty weak, people are eventually going to find cheaper alternatives that are more affordable, more efficient, and just overall less demanding. This is why you have the government paying for student to go to college. Either students get the money for free, or they are loaned the money and they get their foot in the door. Either way, the college profits.

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 1:18am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,100 posts

Romney got more votes but Obama got more elecrol votes.

Current stats show Obama ahead popularly by about 200K-250K (votes are still coming in, so it could change). That makes me slightly less miffed at the EC system, as the people aren't being cheated this time (for now).

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 1:27am

Freakenstein

Freakenstein

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With the recent update, Obama has both more electoral votes and has majority vote, so there won't be a third rarity in the history of the US.

Many people earn more then the President. It's power, not money that lies in the position.

To be honest, $500,000 a year for being President isn't too shabby, considering the colossal amount of stress he/she receives when on the job. Of course, you said it's the power that is the reason why people vie for the position, which is agreeable. It'd be silly for people to run for the presidency for the 500K salary.

The college system is broken. College is important, and we have a bunch of people who are profiting off of this. Now, that's PERFECTLY FINE. Profit is OKAY. However, the way in which they profit is not. They determine what classes students have to take and how many so they can obtain a degree to get a job. Because of this, they require students to give up many years of their life as well as a mother **** load of money so they may potentially obtain a job that may or may not be in demand.

Why, why, why must I know two semesters of Physics if I'm going for a Biology degree :(

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 1:35am

Devoidless

Devoidless

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On a different note!

Who else is waiting to see the victory speech? I've been sitting here for what seems like forever, listening to fools babble.

 

Posted Nov 7, '12 at 3:51am

fission12

fission12

54 posts

Personally, I was rather unhappy about Obama winning the election.  Despite his lackluster and rather anticlimatical results from his last term, he is an exceptional speaker.  This seems to have made him win...

Before we start, I would like to say that the political system of the United States is broken; instead of the best person being elected, the only way to win and disseminate information is to spend money... a lot of it.
 
@ SSTG You often cite Romney as spending a lot of money and having "rich buddies", but you fail to consider that while Romney may have more financial industry friends and has raised more money than Obama, Obama clearly has spent a lot more money than Romney has.  The figure that Obama has spent is quite a bit more than the "richer" Romney.  Care to shed some light on your views?

See this NY times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/po … n
While
I do agree with Obama on some views, gay rights, hopefully job creation, and some other issues, there is full disagreement on the Universal Health Care issue.  Here is a couple tidbits on how he thinks this will work out.

http://www.barackobama.com/health-care

We americans sometimes are wary about the government and this belief is justified over history.  After all, the government can do some crazy things...
Obama makes universal health care sounds like a great thing.  In a way it is, people who couldn't afford health care before can and nobody will go with inept care.  Isn't that what every nation wants?  Let think about this economically.   Economics is, all in all, the allocation of scarce resources.
It takes several things for granted, especially in a Laissez-faire economy.

1. People want the best for themselves.
2. In doing so they inadvertently impose costs on others.

This system gives individuals incentives to do well; if you start a successful business, you will do well.  Unfortunately, universal health care IS going to pass down costs onto doctors causing a subsequent lowering in wages.  Folling our assumptions, now that doctors will be paid less to do their procedures what will happen?  Inevitably, they will lower their standards.  A possible way is to spend less time?  Another is to "save costs" by giving less quality care for the patient.  If you are wondering, this isn't hypothetical.

See link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/ …
-Doctors
will have to increase load.
-Costs will be passed onto patients.

Something tells me that this isn't going to work?  Also, this money will be coming from YOUR pocket, taxpayer money.  Where else can we get money from? 

Second, the raising taxes on the 1% possibly isn't such a good idea.  At first, this may sound like a nice idea to get easy money.  What they fail to take into account is that this 1% has much more financial mobility than others of lower socioeconomic status and also have ways to evade thse taxes.  Unlike the average american, they generally have a better financial literacy.  By making the terrain more hostile for these people aren't we encouraging them to move?  Also, this 1% usually isn't part of that 1% for no reason at all.  Simply, they drive our economy. They aren't just some lazy people who randomly get money, they develop business models to run our economy...this is how our economy is the embodiement of capitalism.  Yes, they may have recently trashed it, but that problem once again was caused by the government.  (a story for another time)

The last thing that we americans are lacking is education.

Personally, I was rather unhappy about Obama winning the election.  Despite his lackluster and rather anticlimatical results from his last term, he is an exceptional speaker.  This seems to have made him win...

Before we start, I would like to say that the political system of the United States is broken; instead of the best person being elected, the only way to win and disseminate information is to spend money... a lot of it.
 
@ SSTG You often cite Romney as spending a lot of money and having "rich buddies", but you fail to consider that while Romney may have more financial industry friends and has raised more money than Obama, Obama clearly has spent a lot more money than Romney has.  The figure that Obama has spent is quite a bit more than the "richer" Romney.  Care to shed some light on your views?

See this NY times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/po … n
While
I do agree with Obama on some views, gay rights, hopefully job creation, and some other issues, there is full disagreement on the Universal Health Care issue.  Here is a couple tidbits on how he thinks this will work out.

http://www.barackobama.com/health-care

We americans sometimes are wary about the government and this belief is justified over history.  After all, the government can do some crazy things...
Obama makes universal health care sounds like a great thing.  In a way it is, people who couldn't afford health care before can and nobody will go with inept care.  Isn't that what every nation wants?  Let think about this economically.   Economics is, all in all, the allocation of scarce resources.
It takes several things for granted, especially in a Laissez-faire economy.

1. People want the best for themselves.
2. In doing so they inadvertently impose costs on others.

This system gives individuals incentives to do well; if you start a successful business, you will do well.  Unfortunately, universal health care IS going to pass down costs onto doctors causing a subsequent lowering in wages.  Folling our assumptions, now that doctors will be paid less to do their procedures what will happen?  Inevitably, they will lower their standards.  A possible way is to spend less time?  Another is to "save costs" by giving less quality care for the patient.  If you are wondering, this isn't hypothetical.

See link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/ …
-Doctors
will have to increase load.
-Costs will be passed onto patients.

Something tells me that this isn't going to work?  Also, this money will be coming from YOUR pocket, taxpayer money.  Where else can we get money from? 

Second, the raising taxes on the 1% possibly isn't such a good idea.  At first, this may sound like a nice idea to get easy money.  What they fail to take into account is that this 1% has much more financial mobility than others of lower socioeconomic status and also have ways to evade thse taxes.  Unlike the average american, they generally have a better financial literacy.  By making the terrain more hostile for these people aren't we encouraging them to move?  Also, this 1% usually isn't part of that 1% for no reason at all.  Simply, they drive our economy. 

The last point that we need to cover is education.  Not only is the education of students degrading greatly, the teacher education isn't that great either.
A friend of mine, a couple years back, had a teacher that said "Bird migrate because they are cold-blooded."  Seriously?  Not only this, but also "Venus flytraps live in Africa and will develop normal leaves if grown in regular soil."
Well, these live in North Carolina...and they die if put in normal soil.  Honestly, if the teacher is comfortable making assumptions, such as these, while teaching, what else do they make up?  These days education is too expensive and teachers are overworked. 

Another depressing article about american financial literacy:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americans-dont-understand-investing-basics-2012-09-04?link=MW_story_popular

Last, for all of those who believe in less pay for top executives and using unions to better labor conditions/wages, consider this.  By paying the workers more, your little supply curve will shift inward.  Fewer goods will be produced at every possible price.  When the supply curve shifts inward, quanity decreases and price increases.  This makes our product uncompetitive and this cost is passed back to the consumers (workers spending their wages).  So basically, our products become less competitive and the cost of paying adds out to have zero benefit. 

Honestly, the current state of the government is in a terrible shape and none of the candidates have a reliable way to fix it.  Honestly, Romney seems to be  the lesser of two evils. 

Note: My grammar may not be so great.  Currently it is quite late where I live.

-fiss

 
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