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Tensions with Iran
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 6:04pm 1,756 posts |
OK
Yes legal opinion does matter, we are not in 1400, we are in 21st century.
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 6:59pm 95 posts |
Thanks for watching for me.
I assume you mean the USSR? Yeah, obviously. But around the mid-80s and since the fall of the USSR Russia lost its designation as a true superpower. In today's modern world, Russia lacks the ability to project its power outside of its immediate region (Eastern Europe and Northern Asia). Having an incredibly large army means nothing if you can't get it where you need it. Having a singly STOBAR (Short Take Off and Barrier Arrested Recovery) carrier (The Tbilisi, I believe) doesnt help in that you can only launch fairly light aircraft from it. Then theres he supply lines to maintain said force, which become larger, longer, and more vulnerable the more troops are deployed, the further away they are deployed, and the longer they are deployed. Russia's greatest problem is logistics.
50000 American Dead for 1000000 Viet Cong dead is hardly a failure militarily. The US failed because it was unable to maintain a high enough support for the war and allowed politicians to dictate to generals, as opposed to letting the generals do their job. Vietnam was a loss, but not because of military defeat. On a side note, the greatest issue with Democracy is that Public Support for a war is a finite resource; totalitarian governments don't really have that problem.
The terrorists couldn't stop the US Liberation, can't kick the US out, can't kick out the Democratic Governments elected by the people, can't protect their leaders *cough*BinLaden*cough* and get two in the chest and one in the head when they walk out the door, that is, if the CIA Drone Strikes don't get to them first. Despite my coolness towards him, I'll paraphrase GW in saying mission accomplished.
Lol, do you even know how old I am?
Don't you wish?
Who, then, would you export to? Read up a bit on globalization, not the poor state of the world economy, and then note that the US is 24% of the WORLD GDP. You're a fool if you think the sudden collapse of the US won't bringdown the rest of the world.
What are you talking about? Lack of any centralized government means the greenhouses are never built. Everyone starves and dies. Thank you for playing. Please insert one token to try again.
Again, what are you talking about? Water projects could mean anything in the terms you described it in. The US Navy is responsible for keeping world-wide trade routes open. No USN means no open routes, which mean trade stalls and dies out. Everybody becomes economically inviable due to an inability to exchange resources, starves, and dies. Thank you for playing. Please insert one token to try again.
No true Scotsman fallacy. The fact that I'm posting in a thread about an international issue... But nice try though, not.
I know you didn't read the article because in big letters on the top of the page, it tells you who the author is: Hugh Hunt, from the prestigious Cambridge University. The human hand can't actually talk. Will you take my word for it, or do I need to find a doctor to prove it to you? So the article explains how it survived impact. And yes, it did survive impact. And you why? Because id it had been utterly destroyed in a crash, there wouldn't be enough left for Iran to fuss about. So that Iran is talking about it would imply that it survived in good enough condition to make it worth recovering. And common sense strikes again!
No they don't because there is no court of law on the face of the earth that can actually enforce its opinions. Which is where "might makes right" comes into our play: we have our facts, and we have the force to back it up. Or as Andrew Jackson said: "Marshall has made his descision, now let him enforce it."
No matter. I'm perfectly content to spread the mastication around. :D |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 7:32pm 1,756 posts |
It explains the phenomenon.
No, the article does not explain it.
But your allies can back out of it.
?Yes, common sense strikes and says it was hacked. |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 7:48pm 95 posts |
And the phenomenon applies to the drone. I don't see what the issue. He's a physics professor, which is what you asked for after I gave it to you. Unfortunately, there is no field of falling-drone-ology, so if you won't accept a physics lesson from a Cambridge Professor, you won't be satisfied with any source given. [quoteNo, the article does not explain it. To use your own words from your previous sentence: The article explains the phenomenon. The phenomenon applies to the drone. Quod Erat Demonstradum.
So what? Allies are great, but not necessary. The fact that much of these allies gt a lot of support from the US means the allies really need the US.
Do you have a well known, documented, unbiased, undeniable and inartuable source that says so beyond a shadow of a doubt? |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 8:05pm 4,667 posts |
what about the rest of the world?
they are already building them on small scale.
simply not true. your just telling lies here.
more lies
stop the lies plz.
only spewing your "oww america is so great and better then anyone els" BS |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 8:12pm 1,756 posts |
What I am asking is that if any Reputed expert presented this theory about this drone landing? If not, cigarette.(Cigar will cause you mouth cancer) |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 8:14pm 1,756 posts |
Tell me again hoe enthiusiastic EU nations are about current war? |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 8:24pm 1,756 posts |
I meant how |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 9:48pm 549 posts |
EnigmaX, entertaining as your nationalistic rhetoric might be, partydevil is right. The EU is perfectly capable of monitoring their own sea lanes. The fundamental flaw in your argument lies in the assumption that America's status derives from the capabilities of our armed forces simply isn't true. Furthermore, America cannot operate independently. Our nation's growth relies on the support of many other parts of the world. There is, of course, a flip side. During the Cold War, the term 'Mutually Assured Destruction' rose to prominence, based on the principle that any launch of nuclear warheads could be anticipated enough to perform a counter-launch and ensuring nuclear holocaust. This principle was and still continues to be one of the main deterrents of international nuclear war. But the term can apply to more than nuclear threats. It's common knowledge that America is deeply indebted to China. However, China won't come to collect. The reason for this stems from an economic phenomenon known as 'Interdependent Trading Relationships'. Essentially, due to intense participation in the free market by both America and China and expansive trading that developed as a result, the economic ruin of America--and China collecting their debt would ruin for America--would also cause the economic ruin of China. This is primarily because China would lose it's primary consumer, and should America attack China, America would lose it's primary supplier. Interdependent trading relationships aren't solely restricted to China and the USA however. Most first world countries are connected through trade. In fact, should economic disaster occur in one of the three largest trading blocs (NAFTA, the EU, or China), the other two will almost certainly face economic disaster. This is most apparent in the Global Financial Crisis of 2007-2008, in which a collapse in the American real estate market directly resulted in a worldwide economic crisis. We are all so heavily invested in each other that the loss of one of us would be devastating for the others. Partydevil, I'm glad you know enough about Global Economics. Everyone should. However, I'm surprised that someone with a basis in economic studies, especially in macroeconomics, would make the assumptions that: a) Import/Export ratios are an indicator of a country's economic value. And b) That the loss of one of the worlds largest trading blocs (NAFTA) would constitute a 'slap'. It'd be more like a brutal mugging and the ensuing hospitalization (EnigmaX, this holds true for us with the loss of the EU-- and if we attacked the Netherlands we would lose the support of the EU). That is not the kind of thing you can easily recover from. Partydevil--I would highly recommend taking a look at Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell if you have the time, which is a book commonly used by universities for non-economics majors. Although in sections there is a capitalist/American slant (as Sowell is American), the book mostly covers basic economic principles that exist regardless of personal beliefs or bias. EnigmaX--What you're saying sounds very Orson Scott Card-ian. Do you read many of his books? If not, take a look at Empire, or and of the Shadow of the Hegemon books. They relate very well to what you're saying |
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Posted Nov 12, '12 at 10:02pm 95 posts |
When Rome fell it plunged Europe in a thousand year dark age. Now throw in globalism, and you're cooking up a sh*t storm. The problem is that the world economy is too dependent upon the US for trade. China and India are heavily dependent upon the US for trade. The removal of the US from this trade triangle will will quickly bring down these two nations because other trade parterners won't be able to make up the difference. And so in very short order the world's three largest economies are gone. KO blow to the world. No one will survive; the world is too economically entwined to survive losing a fourth of its economy. Why do you think austerity protests in Greece affect the Nasdaq, and miner revolts in South Africa affect the Nikei Index? Because of globalization! The US isn't just some other insignificant nation! The world is dependent upon the US for everything! If we fall, you're coming down with us.
Key words being "centralized government." This just shows your lack of reading ability.
The next time you call someone a liar, you might actually want to show some proof that said individual is actually a liar. Because when they prove you wrong, you only look like an arse: Navy League of the United States Admiral Mahan and the United States Navy Well, this is awkward. Because the above shows, bot in the past and now, that the US Navy is important in protecting the nation's trade, and ultimately, trade accross the world.
I'll do that right when you learn to spell "better" and "knowledge." :)
Silly me! Uganda is clearly the greatest nation on Earth! How could I be sooooooo naive?
How is this relative, exactly? And since quoting the employee of a state, heres what the US said happened to their drone: crash! And whats more, US Officials say the Iranians painted the drone and concealed the bottom of it with curtains when they revealed it to hide damage sustained when it crashed! ZOMG!
Because the opinions of the EU totally affect US National Security. -_-" Given that the vast majority of the equipment and men in Afghanistan are US, and that the US Military could easily make up the difference by keeping more units in country, the opinions of the EU aren't worth a dime (minute measure of American currency. Or do you want a source to prove common knowledge to you?). I agree with you entirely Hojoko, except on one point: The USN *does* keep world trade lanes open because it keeps its own trade lanes open. He US trades with a vast number of states, and so the converse is that, through their trading with the US, all trade lanes are kept open. For example, suppose that the US imports cars from Country A. Because the US needs these cars, and so it ensures it can always trade with Country A. Now, in order to make these cars, Country A imports iron from Country B. country A needs this iron to make cars; without it, they cannot make cars. The US does not directly trade with Country B, but meeps the trade lanes between Country A and B open because, without this trade occuring, the US will not be able to get cars from Country A. Thus everyone benefits. And I highlight the US' military power because it is this power that allows it to keep everything else. Without the ability to defend itself, the other things that made America great would not long exist. |



