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Tensions with Iran

Posted Nov 14, '12 at 5:03pm

danielo

danielo

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Firstly, didnt recognized you punisher, new amatar.

Secondley, yea, USA is not innocent too. Sure, i dont like part of it as much as you do. The greedingness, this crusade like passion of "saving the world". But what can i do? There is democracy in europe now after the soviets felt. there is democracy in asia. what can we say? for there advanted it will sayed that they made the world a batter place. even if not perfect. Is USA, if rommny lose the election, then obama win. In Iran, Hamedinijad win. The other are traitors and terrorists. In USA protesters.. well bad exmple. In Israel, protesters are in the worst case are get arrested {im not talking about the west bank. this situation has to be solved}, while in Iran they will shot you or capture you and turtore you. If a muslim will come visit Israel, well, no one will care. In the worst event, the security guard will demand to search him over and over. In Iran, a jewish man will get arrested for "spying".
When something is wrong in England, its the politicans guilty. In Iran, its USA, Israel adn England guilty. and hey, didnt they sent a hurrican on USA?

A religios government is never a good thing. Im against it in Israel. im against it in USA ,adn im against it in Iran. So far, Iran is the one who close night clubs for beign agaisnt the religion, Not any other of these evil evil countries.

 

Posted Nov 14, '12 at 5:51pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

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A religios government is never a good thing. Im against it in Israel. im against it in USA ,adn im against it in Iran. So far, Iran is the one who close night clubs for beign agaisnt the religion, Not any other of these evil evil countries.

Its a good thing they closed them, they should remain closed

When something is wrong in England, its the politicans guilty. In Iran, its USA, Israel adn England guilty. and hey, didnt they sent a hurrican on USA?

Oh, tell me again how West has not put sanctions on them?

Secondley, yea, USA is not innocent too. Sure, i dont like part of it as much as you do. The greedingness, this crusade like passion of "saving the world". But what can i do? There is democracy in europe now after the soviets felt. there is democracy in asia. what can we say? for there advanted it will sayed that they made the world a batter place. even if not perfect. Is USA, if rommny lose the election, then obama win. In Iran, Hamedinijad win.

They have their issues too.
But those issues are Their issues
its not USA's or UK's its iran's issue.

In Iran, a jewish man will get arrested for "spying".

Just like many muslims are arrested and interrogated in USA.
Given the recent relations b/w West and Iran, its no wonder they arrested him.
Please, don't give me the examples of Israel, who are slowly starving the palestinians to death.

 

Posted Nov 14, '12 at 6:56pm

hojoko

hojoko

556 posts

a small defence force that most countries can win from.
if military power was the most importent thing. then how come no one has puched over the japanese government yet?

I would greatly appreciate it if you would read my entire post. I agree with you. Military power is not the most important factor of either the United States' or Japan's power and influence. Like I already stated, that comes from their economies, which also act as a form of defense from countries with ties to their economies (in this case, the entire first-world).

However, a military defense force is necessary for defense from smaller nations not tied to the economy. Japan hasn't been taken over because no nation not tied to their economy has the military power to fight Japan and it's allies (most notably NATO).

Also, you seem to have drawn the assumption that I condone mass warfare. I do not. I never claimed to. For the most part I agree with you. Excessive warfare is incredibly undesirable.

My point was that in a historical context the United States is not a uniquely violent nation considering it's influence and power. This does not mean America is not a violent nation. However, I would argue that compared to the British Empire and Rome we are actually less violent if only because we are not an Empire. We invade countries and depose governments, but we do not conquer, and as such we don't have nearly as high account of atrocities against foreign civilian populations (not to say that there are none. There are still plenty).

Furthermore, how many of these wars were initiated by America, and how many did America just participate in? It would be great if you could provide a link for your statistics.

 

Posted Nov 14, '12 at 9:22pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,094 posts

True partydevil, because attacking the nazis was such a cruel act.

1. i never said it was ALL bad. some actions are justified.
2. is talk about AFTER ww2. the nazis were gone. i talk about the 27 other wars.

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thats it for today. i g2g sleep now, i make to long days atm.

 

Posted Nov 14, '12 at 9:26pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,094 posts

Military power is not the most important factor of either the United States

that is not what the americans are bragging about. they are all the time bragging about how great they are and instantly refer to their military.
and that is what makes me angry. the close mindedness of those americans. and it are a ****load that think like that and use the military to brag about how much greater they are then anyone els.

so every time i see another american spewing this ****. i'm going in full force. no matter what.

 

Posted Nov 14, '12 at 9:43pm

hojoko

hojoko

556 posts

Well I'm an American and I'm not bragging about military power. I would encourage everyone to be open-minded, and not automatically assume knowledge of someone's beliefs based on their nationality.

Closed-mindedness is not unique to America either.

is talk about AFTER ww2. the nazis were gone. i talk about the 27 other wars.

Again, I'm really interested in this, and everywhere I look seems to count a different number of american conflicts, so it'd be awesome if you could post the link where you got that statistic from

 

Posted Nov 15, '12 at 2:11am

danielo

danielo

1,378 posts

Not only WW2. If you read my post you will see that i mentioned korea as well and vietnam.

So ok i got it, punisher, you are a radical. Night clubs are places of sins by your logic. If the religion tell so, it most be true.

 

Posted Nov 15, '12 at 12:24pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,094 posts

arg i just made a long post and then i clicked wrong, now everything is gone.
sorry but i don't have the time to explain it as i wanted anymore you'll have to do whit a short-sighted version of it.

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Well I'm an American and I'm not bragging about military power. I would encourage everyone to be open-minded, and not automatically assume knowledge of someone's beliefs based on their nationality.
Closed-mindedness is not unique to America either.

i'm not a racist. i know your not all like that. i even have some american friends that i know i can really trust on.
if i thought all of you are like that. then i would have never went into this discussion whit you.
(here i explained how to filter out the close minded whitin a sec. and some examples of how and when you (your media/country) makes non americans hate you just by the american attitude)

Again, I'm really interested in this, and everywhere I look seems to count a different number of american conflicts,

here is said some more. but i'll just post a link now.

Not only WW2. If you read my post you will see that i mentioned korea as well and vietnam.

what you want me to say? because you killed more people you are better?
sorry but by my morals the 1 who kills the least is the better.
and good job you mentioned 2 more countries. now go for all those mentioned in the reply above this quote. GL.

 

Posted Nov 15, '12 at 3:48pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

So ok i got it, punisher, you are a radical. Night clubs are places of sins by your logic. If the religion tell so, it most be true

If me and my country want to live like this, you or USA has a problem with it?
Why do you want to install a "Democratic" or "Secular" regime where people don't  want it?

 

Posted Nov 15, '12 at 4:34pm

danielo

danielo

1,378 posts

What about hte peopels who do? You talk like the entire muslim world is full with monks and nuns.

You can choose what you want. that what USA is all about.

You want to live a religius life style? you can. want to lve 'wild'? you can. No one tell you "taht is against the religion, so you cant".
And if the new sharia will tell that using internet is against Islam? will you quite from here because we are a bad influence?

I dont have anything against Islam or against any other religion. you may do whatever you want. no one is stoping you. you try to teach everyone what is the best life style by your ideaoligy. And this is wrong in my opinion.
you want a dictatorship of a Muslim tryant who will force everyone to do what he {and maybe the major of the peopels} think is piety.

And about you partydevil.

The best army is the one who keep the interest of his country. Is most of the world communist/dictatorship? No. Does USA is under the control of a forighen country? No. Does USA is under the threat of another country? Mostly no. This make the US army one of the best.
The IDF cant. We cant stop all of our threat all by ourselve.

sure, for your exmple japan as good allies. But they didnt went to war since 1945. well, at least not a major one {they do send troops to korea}. So they dont need an army. like most of europe do, or canada for say. There armies are mostly to support the US army if needed.

 
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