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Posted Feb 10, '13 at 5:26pm

Avorne

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Ohhh, I getcha, I'm kind of running on less sleep than usual so something wasn't clicking right about what you said but I got it now.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

Posted Feb 11, '13 at 7:56am

MageGrayWolf

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Keep in mind I do not believe in EVERYTHING he is saying, by it makes good points. Please watch.

EmperorPalpatine already did a pretty good job of going over this and covering the verses he uses. I will assume since this is the part you're not really getting at as important to you're argument though.

Right from the start he brings up how most religious people are blindly following their parents. How regional religion is I would say goes against it's validity. When something is true, a fact, it tends to not be isolated by regions.

0:25 in, "Most atheist become atheists because they believe in science and technology".
Science is just a tool to use. Belief doesn't really factor in here. I would say many atheists do use the basic principles of science, which brings us to use reason and critical thinking. As this stand with scripture, that is simply the claim that requires evidence.

0:43 in, "The first question to ask an atheist is, Suppose there is an equipment that is a machinery that no one in the world has seen before. if it's brought in front of you Who is the first person to tell you the machinism of this machinery, of this object? What will be his reply?"
1:48 in, "How did our universe come into existence?"

He was trying to compare some machine that was manufactured with the universe. Also he got the Big Bang wrong. Essentially he is using the Blind watchmaker argument. I will skip over the part he starts getting into this being mentioned in his particular holy text as EmperorPalpatine has covered this and it's not relevant to the point being made by a Christian.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_design
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php? … r_argument
In short the universe and other natural formations weren't made. The links provide a run down of this sort of argument and counter arguments.

Moving on the the moon. From a Christian perspective of the Bible, that's saying it's, it's own light. He get's the timeline of when this was figured out to be wrong way off. Unfortunately for the argument here this only hurts Christianity validity.

3:50 in, He get's into the shape of the world. The Bible get's this wrong. At best it calls the world a circle, the specific word used int he Bible denote a flat round surface just like he think of circles today. Hebrew did have a word for spherical objects. But even calling the world a sphere is just an over simplification. It would be more accurate to call it an oblong spheroid and if we are to measure it from a very close surface structure it loses even this definition. Also get's the discovery of the world being "spherical" wrong.

The way the holy texts make reference to the sun is that it's revolving around us. Universe expanding isn't mentioned in holy text.

To take my reply to this from the link EmperorPalpatine provided.
"This guy is doing the exact same thing Christians do when they claim that science is in the Bible. Science discovers something then you claim it was in your holy text. We never see the opposite happen."

 

Posted Feb 11, '13 at 9:01pm

Getoffmydangle

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148 posts

The OP here is a straight up FoxNews spinoff.  Its a little late in the winter season for an episode of "war on Christmas" but thats essentially what this is.  Even thought christians are clearly the dominant cultural force in this country, Foxnews riles up their base by claiming that their way of life is under attack and that they are the real victims of discrimination and oppression.

 

Posted Feb 12, '13 at 9:53pm

Blairlarson

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I think that both Atheist and Christians are mean the same to each other look at the posts that people post. In the Theism and Atheism everyone was rude the same to each other.

 

Posted Feb 12, '13 at 10:03pm

Kasic

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In the Theism and Atheism everyone was rude the same to each other.

Please don't generalize. Most of the regulars here are not rude or insulting. Making people look stupid for being unable to back up their claims is a byproduct of poor thinking. Same goes for when we have to correct them again and again on what evolution actually claims, what it is and is not related to, and how ridiculous Noah's ark is.

 

Posted Feb 12, '13 at 10:06pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

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Well one thing that you probably did not know about is that one day the mediterranean sea overflowed and that was probably where Noah lived then he was probably thought the world was flooding.

 

Posted Feb 12, '13 at 10:09pm

Kasic

Kasic

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Well one thing that you probably did not know about is that one day the mediterranean sea overflowed and that was probably where Noah lived then he was probably thought the world was flooding.

1) The Bible portrays it as a literal world event. EVERYTHING died except what was on the ark or could swim.
2) Two of every type of animal could not fit on the ark along with food for forty days.

I'm not getting into the almost infinite list of how Noah's ark did not happen. Did a flood happen somewhere? Probably. Did a bunch of animals get loaded onto a boat? No.

We can take it to the Theism vs Atheism thread if you want to hear more.

 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 7:33am

Nerdsoft

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The OP and all later posts on this thread by pballaddict are works of complete demagoguery. For a start, you claim to represent Christianity. Then you say that you cannot answer for anything done by Christians that is not strictly within the lines of your definition of "tolerance". Then you say that homosexuals are being intolerant.
So, you are effectively interchanging the word "homosexual" with "gay extremist". Essentially, you are saying that fundamentalist Christians are not Christian, whereas tolerant gays (e.g. the vast majority) don't count. So you're saying that a certain group of Christians (quite possibly fundamentalist) are being targeted by a small group of gays.
In short, a gay pride parade in a devout Christian community means that all homosexuals hate all Christians.
This is just a feeble attempt to mask the fact that you are yourself intolerant and cannot stand anyone who thinks otherwise, isn't it? Your hateful beliefs are seeping through.

 

Posted Feb 16, '13 at 3:23pm

MageGrayWolf

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But yet, they are not tolerant of ours. we don't start Christian parades and harass and pillage homosexuals homes, do we?

In the OP he seemed to be asking why Atheists might rail against religion.
Let's have a look at the past couple of months.
What religion has contributed to the world this month - Episode 3 (January/February 2013)

 

Posted Feb 17, '13 at 2:30pm

pballaddict

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