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thugtastic
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I know it's been a while since the Rhiana song came out but do women actually run the world?

I would say no, predominantly the household, tribes, and countries have been run by males.

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EmperorPalpatine
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True, but isn't it also somewhat innate? Genetic?

It seems to be more societal. In nature, sometimes males take their nurturing parent role more strongly, such as the penguin.
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Pang, Kasic.

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True, but isn't it also somewhat innate? Genetic? I mean not everybody, I know girls who hate kids. I just presumed that women are naturally better at nurturing than men.

Okay now let's think for one moment. Let's just switch your gender for a moment. Just a moment. You were born into a body that has the ability to hold and deliver another human. Now just because you were born with a uterus and breasts, you are naturally better at nurturing them therefore you should only be a caregiver.
This has been the logic of man since forever. At least until equal rights and such started to appear. But even then equal isn't really equal.
Anyways. Would you like this label to be stuck to you just because of your body? Something you had no choice in deciding? What if you were a born leader, but since your a female you have ding dongs like the ones here telling you that you shouldn't be a leader because of some stupid game of telephone? "Well my second cousin had a female boss once and HATED her so obviously female leaders suck" Yes that is total, rational thinking. What if you wanted to pursue a career in, let's say, the automobile industry? When people think of cars and mechanics, they think men. But a girl can be just as interested in it if she wanted to, and she could be just as good as every other male in that area. But no one wants to hire a female mechanic because statistics say that males are better at it than women. So their goes your dream, flushed down the toilet. All because your were born a female. Imagine how devastating that could be to someone. Their lifelong hopes and dreams, gone all because
roles are built in, for better or for worse.

And just why do you think that is? Because once again
Because that's how society raises them to be.

Everyone's actions taught you that women are inferior to men in some areas. Just because guys can lift a lot of weight and do a lot of manual labor, they are supposed to be better. Well, this may have worked when you needed manual labor to survive. Now everything is made by machines and you only need to press some buttons to make a thousand cars.
Technology has evened the playing field. You no longer need men to build your log cabin for you. You don't need them to go hunting for your food. We don't rely on men for the basic needs to survive anymore.
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This has been the logic of man since forever. At least until equal rights and such started to appear. But even then equal isn't really equal.
Anyways. Would you like this label to be stuck to you just because of your body? Something you had no choice in deciding? What if you were a born leader, but since your a female you have ding dongs like the ones here telling you that you shouldn't be a leader because of some stupid game of telephone? "Well my second cousin had a female boss once and HATED her so obviously female leaders suck" Yes that is total, rational thinking. What if you wanted to pursue a career in, let's say, the automobile industry? When people think of cars and mechanics, they think men. But a girl can be just as interested in it if she wanted to, and she could be just as good as every other male in that area. But no one wants to hire a female mechanic because statistics say that males are better at it than women. So their goes your dream, flushed down the toilet. All because your were born a female. Imagine how devastating that could be to someone. Their lifelong hopes and dreams, gone all because


Calm down buddy, I wasn't insulting or putting the female gender down. I was just merely stating that men and women have presumed roles that aren't usually very flexible. mean, if a woman want to go into construction, I mean go for it, live your dreams. I'm just saying she'd be highly prejudiced against. And I'm also saying that women are typically better at certain tasks than men are ad vice versa. Nothing sexist. If a man wants to nurture kids, go for it. Just that GENERALLY women are typically better at it.
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And I'm also saying that women are typically better at certain tasks than men are ad vice versa. Nothing sexist.
Pro tip: the sentence immediately before you say "nothing sexist" is sexist.

I swear I will post on this thread for real soon.
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True, but isn't it also somewhat innate? Genetic? I mean not everybody, I know girls who hate kids. I just presumed that women are naturally better at nurturing than men.

Be careful with that. But to some extent, yes. The mother will experience certain stimuli, like the widening of the birth canal at birth, or the baby suckle during breast feeding, that will release oxitocin and increase the bond between mother and child. But the father sometimes also experiences similar hormone releases, for whatever reason, I'm not an expert in hormone physiology.

But we're very plastic with that, I mean women are not contrained to be good mothers because of their biology, and on the other side men can learn to be very good caretakers as well. It's usually society that hinder any change even though we'd be capable of adapting individually.

It seems to be more societal. In nature, sometimes males take their nurturing parent role more strongly, such as the penguin.

Most species know maternal care, some species, penguins but also sea horses, know paternal care. But I don't see how that would be an argument against genetics?
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If a man wants to nurture kids, go for it. Just that GENERALLY women are typically better at it.

Got studies to back that claim? I think men and women can be equally as abusive or caring.
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Got studies to back that claim? I think men and women can be equally as abusive or caring.


Nah, I'll just withdraw the statement. I just thought that was assumed or general knowledge. But I understand. I'm nurturing, and I'm male.

Pro tip: the sentence immediately before you say "nothing sexist" is sexist.


Except for when I'm not trying to be sexist. It's like saying I'm not 100% for gay marriage and everyone then says "Wow you homophobic *******." Taken out context. Yes women are equal to men. But if we were 100% equal there wouldn't be different genders; we have differences.

Most species know maternal care, some species, penguins but also sea horses, know paternal care. But I don't see how that would be an argument against genetics?


I totally agree, there are species where fathers are the main, if only, caretaker. It's just you don't hear of a single father raising kids very often, almost always its a single mother. And while genetics isn't a huge argument, at least it's just kinda....there.
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Pang


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Don't feed the trolls


Pretty sure he isn't a troll. He could possibly be so..but it seems not.

Except for when I'm not trying to be sexist. It's like saying I'm not 100% for gay marriage and everyone then says "Wow you homophobic *******." Taken out context. Yes women are equal to men. But if we were 100% equal there wouldn't be different genders; we have differences.


By definition, it is sexist.
Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex.

Also, the elimination of gender roles wouldn't be an elimination of gender classifications.
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By definition, it is sexist.
Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex.

Also, the elimination of gender roles wouldn't be an elimination of gender classifications.


Fine then, since everybody thinks I'm sexist I take that comment back.

My statement is only, apparently, sexist to some.
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at least it's just kinda....there

it is there. it shouldn't have to be there.
culture and society has brought us there. if we keep agreeing with it, we will stay there.
i say, pack some boots, we are going to walk.

But if we were 100% equal there wouldn't be different genders

how do you wanna make babies?

i dont see why equality has to matter on what sort of organ system sits in your body. they dont differ so much that 1 task can't be done by either of them.

Fine then, since everybody thinks I'm sexist I take that comment back.

i know what you try to say. and that is not sexist. but the way you try to say it is sexist.
the problem is that sexism is still happening. you just say what is going on and that makes your sentences sexist. you keep linking it to the gender. while the problem is the society. we all say. woman and man are equal. we all think (well most) woman and man are equal. but it is still there. woman still get paid less. and often does the nursing. etc. etc. and if there was a real reason for it then we could say that. however do i not think that anyone here could find a reason for it not changing, while we do try.
(maybe because not everyone try's. but that is just too obvious xD )
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it is there. it shouldn't have to be there.
culture and society has brought us there. if we keep agreeing with it, we will stay there.
i say, pack some boots, we are going to walk.


I do enjoy me a quality walk!

how do you wanna make babies?

i dont see why equality has to matter on what sort of organ system sits in your body. they dont differ so much that 1 task can't be done by either of them.


I understand, and I wasn't saying men and women are required to be in certain roles. I was just saying that I feel that some of this is genetic to an extent.

i know what you try to say. and that is not sexist. but the way you try to say it is sexist.
the problem is that sexism is still happening. you just say what is going on and that makes your sentences sexist. you keep linking it to the gender. while the problem is the society. we all say. woman and man are equal. we all think (well most) woman and man are equal. but it is still there. woman still get paid less. and often does the nursing. etc. etc. and if there was a real reason for it then we could say that. however do i not think that anyone here could find a reason for it not changing, while we do try.
(maybe because not everyone try's. but that is just too obvious xD )


I'm just not super proficient at saying what I mean I guess. I just feel it is being read into more than it is, just like with my example of gay marriage. Am I behind it? Personally no. But when you say that everyone assumes you're a homophobic bigot who hates gays which couldn't be further from the truth.

...it just frustrates me.
partydevil
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i just see you didn't mend what i thought you mend....
you think it's genetically. but it is society/culture.

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You are proud of being hateful, and I will criticize being proud of hatred until the day I die. Perhaps you should think about your beliefs some.


I always get a good laugh when intolerant people complain that you are not being tolerant of them.

Woman are amazing as housewives and home keepers. This isn't sexist, it's just what they're good at. When they try to take over a man's job, it almost always ends up bad. But just because they shouldn't be working full time jobs, it doesn't mean they can't do great things.


Also funny is this ^
Trying to couch a paragraph of bigoted crap with the disclaimer "This Isn't Sexist!"
just like when someone says "no offense but" and then says something offense, or "i'm not a racist but" and then says something racist.

Let me help you, definition of Sexist: "noun, prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex."
So saying women aren't good at..., or can't... is by definition sexist.

Maybe in your community the women typically stay at home as housewives. Thats fine, but I would encourage you to expand your life experience, and be less judgmental about things you don't know much about.
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@partydevil
I believe the word you are looking for is "mean" and "meant"

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