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kiddslayer12
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I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.

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RoabertG
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Believing Noah would have required unconditional trust. Can you imagine what would happen today if we would have to unconditionally trust anyone, just to be sure we don't get killed?
Think about it. the whole earth would not flood in one day. or even two days. it probably took several days in order for "The water rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits" Genesis 7:20 The people had time to go into the ark. there was also plenty of room for many more people. but the people did not put aside their unbelief and so they were drowned.
HahiHa
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If you mean it metaphorically, than what is not metaphoric?

I already said once, the bible shouldn't be taken literally, you should interpretate everything. That's what a believing christian told me once. Sadly, even some believing christians tend to take it literally.
Think about it. the whole earth would not flood in one day. or even two days. it probably took several days in order for "The water rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits" Genesis 7:20 The people had time to go into the ark. there was also plenty of room for many more people. but the people did not put aside their unbelief and so they were drowned.

Face it. You would need days, even weeks only to evacuate big cities. And anyway, if people go to the arc because they fear to be drowned, how is this showing they are now believing christians? This makes no sense.
Aaliyah928
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Good point. I trust nobody, except 2. But it was fair warning

314d1
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Think about it. the whole earth would not flood in one day. or even two days. it probably took several days in order for "The water rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits" Genesis 7:20 The people had time to go into the ark. there was also plenty of room for many more people. but the people did not put aside their unbelief and so they were drowned.


Your looking at a foot a day. How are you going to get out of your house, cross the country, and enter an ark with bronze age technology and rain that would be literally blinding? Even with a week, a year even, notice, it would still be improbable that you could cross a large, desert, country to go on a ship just because a crazy old man warned you there will be a flood.

Good point. I trust nobody, except 2. But it was fair warning


So you are saying the crazy old guys with signs gave you a fair warning. Great. Don't go running to them when you die.

http://www.gadgetoff.com/mt/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/Image/end%20is%20near%20cartoon.JPG

You have been warned.
Aaliyah928
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Listen to the crazy old farts! hahahahahahahahaha. Jk, Cmon, lighten up guys, and do yourself a favor? don't think the devil is the good guy,

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Now, atheism is insanity. There is no proof for evolution, it's just a theory made by people that don't WANT to believe that God is real. There IS proof for creationism. (yes, that is a word.) The rather old scrolls that were found hidden, and translated into the book(s) we have today known as the Bible. But that isn't the only proof. Now this isn't very scientific of me, but MY proof is proving evolution wrong. I'm actually going to make a speech on this later this year, but take a moment and look around. Look at your computer, look out the window at the plants, (if you have any, my backyard is a wasteland, living in AZ and all) look at yourself. HOW can you say an explosion made all of that? (or at least the materials that made it) Last I checked, when you blow up a car engine, you don't get a Mustang. Explosions don't create things, they destroy. Forgive me for the long reply but I need to go on. There have been found no evidence that we come from monkies. There are no missing links. And what was found, was discovered to be a deformed ape head. Now, looking from an evolutionists view, you know when you see pictures of what that apeman probably looked like? Those are lies. What they do is get an evolutionist and an artist. The artist gets a skull and begins panting an apeman. "Make that nose more like a monkies, give him bigger eyes..." The evolutionist directs the artist to make the picture look the way he wants it. Not very scientific, is it? What about fossilization? Takes millions of years, right? What about the pair of pliers that was found fossilized? Or the "cowboy" hat? I don't think cavemen had pliers or cowboy hats. Or the waterwheel? Cavemen were retarded, right? Apparently not.

I'm done with evolution but I want to explain to the best of my ability the very existence of God.

I don't think God is truly perfect, but he's probably the closest thing


By now that's probably an old quote, but I have to say he IS the perfect being. That's the most shocking thing I've read all day. God created everything. How can the guy that made you, and me, and everyone else NOT be perfect. Okay, so humanity isn't perfect, but that's because of WAAAY back in the Garden of Eden, when humans blatantly disobeyed God. Read Genesis, study it, don't just read it, and you'll understand. Now I know atheists like using the Bible against us Christians (well...I'm actually Judeo-Christian) so I'm going to say don't. Don't take the Bible out of content. All the brutal things it says, it says for a reason. You can deny that God exists, but even evolutionists don't believe evolution. (at least some) You KNOW God exists. And if you wish...I don't reccomend it, but if you REALLY want to see for yourself, you can wait. All you can do, other than believe, is wait. The proof will come either with your death or the end of the world. Whichever comes first. (Though I honestly believe the end will be first.)
This may be shocking to you but there are no contradictions in the Bible, contrary to popular belief. Whether it has to be me or the Pope, just ask a Christian about a contradiction and we'll be able to tell you how it ISN'T a contradiction.

If you actually read this entire thing, please don't just throw it away and continue what you're doing. Study for yourself, don't just assume. But I have to go now.
Aaliyah928
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Uhm, it does contradict itself. It bans homosexuality, but god wants man to be happy, some men are only happy with another man.

RoabertG
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Uhm, it does contradict itself. It bans homosexuality, but god wants man to be happy, some men are only happy with another man.
God is not concerned with our carnal happiness! Some men are "happy" when they r*pe women. God is concerned with our Ultimate happiness! and we will only be truly happy with God!
314d1
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here is no proof for evolution, it's just a theory made by people that don't WANT to believe that God is real


Darwin was Christian...He believed in god...And he made the theory WITCH HAS FRICKEN PROOF! At least go threw the effort of looking at the evolution wiki...

There IS proof for creationism. (yes, that is a word.)


THERE IS NO PROOF! Everyone here knows that is a word, and knows that you are just spewing crap...

The rather old scrolls that were found hidden, and translated into the book(s) we have today known as the Bible


Really? I have one that says Zues and the other Olympian gods decided the outcome of the Trojan war. And since I have old scrolls, it must be true!

But that isn't the only proof


Yes, actually it is the only &quotroof"...

Now this isn't very scientific of me, but MY proof is proving evolution wrong


When your sentience starts with "Now this isn't very scientific" it would be a good idea to shut up and go in the corner of the room...

HOW can you say an explosion made all of that?


This right here proves your ignorance. THE BIG BANG WAS NOT AN EXPLOSION! It was merely an expansion. And simply, is what I would say.

Last I checked, when you blow up a car engine, you don't get a Mustang. Explosions don't create things, they destroy.


More idiocy? IT WAS NOT AN EXPLOSION! And matter can not be created or destroyed. Explosions just change its physical appearance.

There have been found no evidence that we come from monkies


More ignorance... Your right. We didn't come from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with apes,though, witch has been proven.

The rest of your first paragraph is just spewing ignorance about how you theories fossilization goes... Who told you it takes millions of years? They lied.

Okay, so humanity isn't perfect, but that's because of WAAAY back in the Garden of Eden, when humans blatantly disobeyed God.


Witch god knew they would do, and actually made them to do so. If he had made them perfect than that would not have happened.

If you actually read this entire thing, please don't just throw it away and continue what you're doing. Study for yourself, don't just assume. But I have to go now.


I personally suggest that you all just assume. He is merely spewing out creationist ignorance.

Here, son, ACTUAL READ SOMETHING ON THE SUBJECT BEFORE COMING TO A DEBATE!

Evolution

The Big Bang Theory

Fossils

And the rest can go down to...Well....You assume far to much, either your extremely ignorant, brainwashed, or attempting to portray the Christianity I hate...
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Now, atheism is insanity. There is no proof for evolution, it's just a theory made by people that don't WANT to believe that God is real. There IS proof for creationism. (yes, that is a word.)

Shut up. Just shut up. Did you read scientific worls on evolution? Do you study and understand biology? I do, and I tell you, there is proof for it. In the other way, creationism is just a pseudoscience that tries to argument on a scientific basis that god exist. Why the heck?? God can't be agrumented scientifically! Lately I read an article about an old stone profile on a temple of a buffalo with flower petals coming up from the back. Admittedly, at first sight it looked roughly similar to a stegosaurus. But only at first sight, and only roughly. The head is too big, and all legs are at same height, which isn't the case for the dinosaur. What did creationm say? 'This is a proof that humans coexisted with dinosaurs!' The stegosaurus didn't even exist at that location! It was an asian tmeple, while stegosaurus lived exclusively in america (north or south, one of them, don't remember exactly) *Takes a bat and swaps them very hard* Stupid stupid stupid!
Look at your computer, look out the window at the plants, (if you have any, my backyard is a wasteland, living in AZ and all) look at yourself. HOW can you say an explosion made all of that?

It wasn't the explosion who made this, it happened over a unfathomable long period of time. This argument is rubbish.
What about fossilization? Takes millions of years, right? What about the pair of pliers that was found fossilized? Or the "cowboy" hat? I don't think cavemen had pliers or cowboy hats. Or the waterwheel? Cavemen were retarded, right? Apparently not.

Those where fakes, you naive thing. There are guys out there who make fakes and bury them to be found, there have been many cases like that.
By now that's probably an old quote, but I have to say he IS the perfect being. That's the most shocking thing I've read all day. God created everything. How can the guy that made you, and me, and everyone else NOT be perfect.

Read our discussion. You probably posted this out of only the phrase you quotet.

And anyway, you are basing all of this on this:
The rather old scrolls that were found hidden, and translated into the book(s) we have today known as the Bible.

? Some old scrolls written by men who didn't know that earth is a planet? Seriously.. their morals may be correct, the morals of the bible may be ok, but it's the only thing, really. The rest is myths and legends.
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@Noremak0

I suggest you read some of this thread: http://armorgames.com/community/thread/9829/evolutionism-or-creationism/page/1

It should clear up some of your misconceptions.

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I love how he said 'don't make assumptions' yet assumes that HIS god exists and that EVERYONE else is wrong.

MRWalker82
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Do I even want to tackle this one? I'm undecided so far...

Aaliyah928
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I'm thinking I'm going to drop out of this now, a bit crazy now. Cutthroat much guys?

MRWalker82
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Cutthroat much guys?


When it comes to people spouting theistic nonsense with absolutely zero basis in fact as a fact, yeah. I tend to be very cutthroat when people espouse ignorance and preach blind faith over reason and logic. I'll leave you with my favorite quote from the Bible. John 8:22 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
Reason, logic, and the scientific method are what give us truth. Just thought I'd throw that out there for you.
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