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MachoMachoGrande
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Ive seen my friends grow up recently into older teens now. They used to be really cool and stuff, but now they like smoking... illegal things if you know what i mean. I want you guys to know that if you know someone whod oes this and it bothers you too you can talk to me about it because i understand how you feel about it too.
but really, what i want to talk about is how you guys feel about recent growth in teenagers smoking things not tobacco?
would you reach out to a friend in need?
we need more good people reaching out to people addicted to drugs so they can be good people again too.
if you were addicted to drugs how would you want to be approached?
i for one would want my family to step in and throw an intervention. i feel like if enough people i care about told me that i had a problem and couldnt livea normal life i would really change my mind about whatever drug i would be addicted too.
thank you please think and respond.
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partydevil
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And what is wrong with a person using a drug responsibly just for how it makes them feel, even if there are not health benefits?

nothing, but does a drug need to be exploited like a potato for that reason?

I think we should have facilities that not only act as a place to obtain such drugs but double as a place for those who wish to come clean. The sale of any drug would be taxed and the money would go into programs to educated about the effects of drugs and really education in general.

we have those facilities here in NL. but little different.
people can get their drugs for free there so that the criminality they cause for obtaining these drugs are not needed anymore. instead for paying for the drugs they have to work 3-4 hours. the usual work is public cleaning or re-sticker products. those mindless jobs, so to say...
it helps with several problems. 1. criminality 2. public drug use and the waste of it. 3. all drugs are used with clean needles and such. 4. when someone go's bad there is medical help nearby. (less deaths cause of it) 5. cleaner city. and 6. work that no1 wants to do gets done.
for this last reason does the government get paid for by the companies delivering the work. and it is enough to pay the drugs with. and then the cycle is round. =)
partydevil
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nothing, but does a drug need to be exploited like a potato for that reason?

i had to add:

making it look like a normal every day product will cause a lot irresponsible use of it. like alcohol. and even more if everyone keeps saying that there is no way that it can be harmful for you. and even that it would benefit a person... cause it really can harm.
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from link:
"A list of the 10 most notable, common conditions, afflictions and diseases that marijuana has been proven to help."

as i said. yes it can help temporary for people with health problems...
a health body does not benefit from marijuana.


1) It can help as much as ibuprofen, if not more..so why is ibuprofen a better choice/legal while marijuana is not?

2) Listing of the things it helps. Those bolded are what I would personally view as a large factor for its helpfulness in the medical field.
-Treating migraines
-help slow the progression of Alzheimer's (my favorite, b-t dubs)
-stop cancer from spreading
-prevent blindness from glaucoma
-Control epileptic seizures, helps calm Tourette's
-Treats depression
-Lessens side affects from treating Hepatitis C
-Relieves arthritis discomfort
-Treats inflammatory bowel diseases
-Decreases insulin levels in diabetics
-Eases the pain of Multiple Sclerosis

also your 2nd link is about medical marijuana use. i.e. unhealthy people.


....so? Your point?
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....so? Your point?

His point, as I understand and share it, is that healthy people have no medical reason to smoke marijuana, as it not only has medical uses, but can also cause schizophrenia for example. Someone saying "smoking pot is good because it's healthy" most likely just looks for excuses to get high.

Now I'm sure my grandfather could have lived with less pain, and maybe a bit longer, if he had taken medical doses of marijuana. He didn't want because it isn't legal.
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Surely, you are familiar with the side effects of stopping heroin use cold turkey


A brief, relevant article.
Charlie506
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Talking about drugs?
Everyone says stop then they use a drug.
I don't get it.

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nothing, but does a drug need to be exploited like a potato for that reason?


Do you feel the same way about alcohol as well? The reason I can think of to allow the safer drugs to be exploited by a more general group would be for economic reasons.

we have those facilities here in NL. but little different.
people can get their drugs for free there so that the criminality they cause for obtaining these drugs are not needed anymore. instead for paying for the drugs they have to work 3-4 hours. the usual work is public cleaning or re-sticker products. those mindless jobs, so to say...
it helps with several problems. 1. criminality 2. public drug use and the waste of it. 3. all drugs are used with clean needles and such. 4. when someone go's bad there is medical help nearby. (less deaths cause of it) 5. cleaner city. and 6. work that no1 wants to do gets done.
for this last reason does the government get paid for by the companies delivering the work. and it is enough to pay the drugs with. and then the cycle is round. =)


That's a pretty good idea to have people do grunt work as a means of payment.
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On the topic of heroin, it is actually used in hospitals under the name 'diamorphine.' It replaces morphine as a painkiller due to the decreased number and severity of side affects.

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Do you feel the same way about alcohol as well?

yes. for example: a max amount of alcohol you can buy for personal use. if you have a party you can get a free license to have more. no more store sales except for &quotublic" wholesale stores and bars/clubs/etc.
you would still be allowed to consume alcohol, but this way we can hold track of those who are about to become addicted. and do something befor it's to late. kinda what casinos have to do for their clients. dont restrict them but advise them, talk with them. also will the sales of alcohol be better regulated so that under age people can't buy it so easy.

The reason I can think of to allow the safer drugs to be exploited by a more general group would be for economic reasons.

without looking at what the causes will be? all only for the money?
i'm a capitalist as you probably know, so yes i do understand the point of view. but i think there are better ways of exploiting it for the government. that will still allow everyone to use it but also will discourage people from using it. like the cigaret industry is discouraging people from using their product. "we allow you to use it, but you better dont."
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yes. for example: a max amount of alcohol you can buy for personal use. if you have a party you can get a free license to have more


So if I want to get wasted by myself I can't, but if I have friends over to get wasted its ok? And how would this "max ammount" be determined? Two pints of beer might have little affect on a big man, but could completely inebriate a small women, each having differing metabolisms.
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So if I want to get wasted by myself I can't,

no. you can buy is from &quotublic" wholesale stores. it are wholesale stores where the public is allowed in and where you can also buy a 6-pack of beer. (you dont have to buy a minimum of a whole pallet, like normal in wholesale stores) it's nothing new. they already exist. the only thing is. to be allowed to buy from them you have to get registered... so we can follow how many beer you will be buying...

And how would this "max ammount" be determined? Two pints of beer might have little affect on a big man, but could completely inebriate a small women, each having differing metabolisms.

5 beer is enough to get anyone wasted. so a max of 7 would be good i think..
these max ammount is just a little step. not something you should get your foot in. it can be changed when it turns out to be to less or to many... here in NL you are allowed to buy a max of 5 gram marijuana, it's enough for personal use, for anyone. sure there can be found a max amount for alcohol aswel. it really is no problem.
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ow and lets get it real. if you want to get wasted when your only on your own. then your addicted.

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to be allowed to buy from them you have to get registered... so we can follow how many beer you will be buying...

Oh boy, one more place we have to register! So other people can monitor our behaviour, so people who drink alcohol will have to pay higher insurance taxes! Yes!

I think I am in favour of a controlled sale of drugs and alcohol, but I wouldn't want to register for that. No, we need something else.
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5 beer is enough to get anyone wasted. so a max of 7 would be good i think..

Just have your buddies bring a pack too. Everyone could still get plastered.

Oh boy, one more place we have to register! So other people can monitor our behaviour, so people who drink alcohol will have to pay higher insurance taxes! Yes!

Buying =/= using and using =/= buying, so it would be difficult to prove.
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Buying =/= using and using =/= buying, so it would be difficult to prove.

For one, do you really believe insurance companies would care about the difference?

And second, if that is a problem, this problem basically defeats the purpose proposed by partydevil.
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