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MachoMachoGrande
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Ive seen my friends grow up recently into older teens now. They used to be really cool and stuff, but now they like smoking... illegal things if you know what i mean. I want you guys to know that if you know someone whod oes this and it bothers you too you can talk to me about it because i understand how you feel about it too.
but really, what i want to talk about is how you guys feel about recent growth in teenagers smoking things not tobacco?
would you reach out to a friend in need?
we need more good people reaching out to people addicted to drugs so they can be good people again too.
if you were addicted to drugs how would you want to be approached?
i for one would want my family to step in and throw an intervention. i feel like if enough people i care about told me that i had a problem and couldnt livea normal life i would really change my mind about whatever drug i would be addicted too.
thank you please think and respond.
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MageGrayWolf
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5 beer is enough to get anyone wasted. so a max of 7 would be good i think..


Not it's not. I've seen people with high tolerances drink entire cases through out the day and not get wasted.

But perhaps a modification to your idea. Have a set limit that most people could get wasted on. Then have a registration that would allow someone to buy over that limit. This would allow those few who really do need more to achieve the same goals to do so and will monitor only the really heavy users who probably really should have an eye kept on them.

A registration could also be used for those wishing to use the heavier drugs.

ow and lets get it real. if you want to get wasted when your only on your own. then your addicted.


Can't say I agree. Addiction is usually marked with repetitive action to satisfy a "need" with short term gratification and long term deleterious effects. Just because someone would want to get wasted on their own doesn't mean they are following this pattern.
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And second, if that is a problem, this problem basically defeats the purpose proposed by partydevil.

Indeed. Even if it was limited to 1 beer per person per week, just have a big party where everyone brings some and 1-5 people chug it. Or stockpile it over time. If people want to drink, they'll find a way. The only ways around it are to be really restrictive or really open. For the restrictive way, maybe a heavily enforced total public ban, but with some designated areas that you can't leave until you're under a certain BAC.
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For one, do you really believe insurance companies would care about the difference?

why would insurance companies get this info? i dont see any reason why a wholesale store would give their client records to a insurance company.

you do not register to buy beer. you register to be allowed to buy in that store. you can buy about anything in such stores not only alcohol. it would be like wall-mart would keep record of what you buy.. oh wait they already do... see nothing changes... only change is that the stores i talk about have to keep record of all their clients and what they buy not just alcohol.


Not it's not. I've seen people with high tolerances drink entire cases through out the day and not get wasted.

there are always exceptions of the general.
but for me the amount now is not that important. 2.5 liter per day? if thats enough.. i dunno, i dont drink alcohol for a long while now. 0.5 would be enough for me. =P

Just because someone would want to get wasted on their own doesn't mean they are following this pattern.

how much fun is getting wasted on your own? (serious question)
if someone wants to get wasted on their own then that is a 1st sign of addiction to me. and a reason to talk about it. most people that are addicted do not say they are. they could stop any time... uhu they lie to themself.

Indeed. Even if it was limited to 1 beer per person per week, just have a big party where everyone brings some and 1-5 people chug it. Or stockpile it over time. If people want to drink, they'll find a way. The only ways around it are to be really restrictive or really open. For the restrictive way, maybe a heavily enforced total public ban, but with some designated areas that you can't leave until you're under a certain BAC.

i dont want to restrict to much. make it 2.5 liter per day. people are still self responsible for using it. were not going to hold their hand. xD
just control over sales for prevention of addictions and discouraging the use of it. not restricting it.
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But perhaps a modification to your idea. Have a set limit that most people could get wasted on. Then have a registration that would allow someone to buy over that limit. This would allow those few who really do need more to achieve the same goals to do so and will monitor only the really heavy users who probably really should have an eye kept on them.

sounds good.
we could go a step further. where we give everyone a license saying how much they are allowed to buy... but that probably go's a bit to far. =P
but yea, it's a good add to it. =)
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why would insurance companies get this info? i dont see any reason why a wholesale store would give their client records to a insurance company.

But they have to give the info to some company that makes a medical monitoring of all people, isn't that your idea? Whether an insurance company could get this info, I don't know; but they certainly would have a very high interest in such data.
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But they have to give the info to some company that makes a medical monitoring of all people, isn't that your idea?

no, well not direct. in a casino there is no medical monitoring of people. at most they are going to talk with you about the addiction. even when the client denies that he is. the only reason for the registering is that underage people will not be able to buy it so easy. i dont see a reason for the companies to share their records with anyone but the government. (they already have to show the government, like all businesses)

Whether an insurance company could get this info, I don't know; but they certainly would have a very high interest in such data.

but the insurance company is a 3rd party. they might be interested but they have nothing to do with the control of alcohol sales.
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the only reason for the registering is that underage people will not be able to buy it so easy.

Then someone who can buy it will buy it and sell it to them for easy money, same as now.
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now underage people just by it from the store themself...

but yea, you can't keep that from happening anyway. except by very very strict control. i'm not behind such strict control. i just want better prevention and more discouragement for the use of it. but people are free to make the choice. they are responsible for themself.

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Stores that sell alcohols are already obliged to ask for the ID for young people so as to not sell to underage. No registration needed. In theory it works. In practice many stores don't control the age of the customers and sell to underage anyway, despite irregular controls.

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Then someone who can buy it will buy it and sell it to them for easy money, same as now.


also. if there is a max to buy. then the person hasn't as much to sell then he has now. and he probably want to keep some for himself aswell.

there would be a change in the amount that would be sold to underaged people i think.

In theory it works. In practice many stores don't control the age of the customers and sell to underage anyway,

so these shop owners can't handle the responsibility of controlling this.
lower the amount of places where it gets sold and make the controls better then just showing the ID. keep track of who your clients are.
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Chances are someone underage is going to get the drug they want through a third party anyway, so I don't see how this regulation would help that.

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Chances are someone underage is going to get the drug they want through a third party anyway,

of course they will. but less is better in my eye's. even tho it wont stop it from happening in total. it probably will stop it happening as much as now. (also considering many just buy from the stores without 3rd party) because the 3rd party wants to keep for himself and has only 2.5liter or w/e to sell each day. instead of unlimited amounts.
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of course they will. but less is better in my eye's.

I agree, but asking for IDs should be enough. You shouldn't have to register at each single shop you pass by to buy alcohol.

The problem with asking IDs is that cashiers have to pick the people who appear to be not old enough to buy alcohol, which can be foggy at a certain age. Maybe making it a standart to show your ID when buying alcohol, even if you're obviously adult, may decrease direct sales to underages without changing much at the system.
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asking for IDs should be enough.

but it isn't, as we can see all around us.

You shouldn't have to register at each single shop you pass by to buy alcohol

cause?
if it's the law then what your gonna do about it? xD.

Maybe making it a standart to show your ID when buying alcohol

are fake ID's still common? i dunno but it was for a long time at least.
anyway. i c you would like to keep it as much as it is. i can understand that. and alcohol is so excepted by the public since befor the middle ages, that the idea will never be considered in reality. and if it does then the public will blow it up =P but i think it would have good results if it was introduced.
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You shouldn't have to register at each single shop you pass by to buy alcohol

registration doesn't have to be something big.
just your name, ID number and w/e you bought. so you would have to give your name and ID number to the clerk. thats no big deal, right?
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