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There are many forms of non-firearm lethal weapons: knives, blunt instruments, bows/crossbows, etc. Since all of these can be and are used to commit crimes such as murder and armed robbery, should they be made illegal? At what point/and or what should weapons such as tactical/killing knives should be made illegal? Are these specialized knives useful tools for self defense, or should they be made illegal by the government? Since these weapons are much easier to obtain than guns (many can be made fairly easily too), what steps would be needed to enforce more restrictive laws against these weapons.

Finally, I will state my position. I believe that like just with guns, these weapons in question are only as bad or as good as the person that is holding it. I own many different types of tactical knives for self defense: machetes, kerambits, hunting knives, butterfly knives, etc..
I have no desire to use them unless when necessary to save myself from death or severe personal injury from an attacker(s).

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I have a collection of swords that ranges from katanas, broadswords, daggers, etc. In my state it is illegal for me to sharpen most of these and to carry them in public. I agree with these laws (although I don't always follow them).

Somewhat off topic, but in China there have been multiple attacks when a few people with swords and knives manage to kill 20 people or more before police armed with guns are able to stop them.

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Are these specialized knives useful tools for self defense, or should they be made illegal by the government?


One of the most intriguing of these is the balisong, known more commonly as the butterfly knife. They are banned in several states and explicitly banned in schools and colleges (labeled as "gravity knives," since gravity assists in opening them).

I still don't understand the logic. Has anyone else ever used a butterfly knife? I own several, and I can tell you that
1. They are difficult to open, closed and use without hours of practice
2. They are extremely uncomfortable and do not mold well to the human hand
3. The handle is held together by only a tiny latch.

It is more dangerous to the user than the target when a butterfly knife is involved without practice. Seriously, they are far more dangerous to you, and if you hit the latch, the handle will separate and you'll lose control. A folding pocket knife is just as lethal and even easier to operate. Heck, I have an instructional book on fighting with a balisong, and all of the pictures in demonstrations are done with a Bowie knife.

I am allowed to carry an assist-opening pocket knife on campus if the blade is 4" long or less (faster, thinner and quieter), but I cannot carry a butterfly knife of the same length. Seriously?
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A ban on knives would be completely unenforceable. Knives are used in food preparation and eating. You can make one from a piece of steel using a simple grinder, or even a file and a whetstone. Blunt instruments are even easier to obtain and manufacture. Bows and the like would be much easier to regulate, but generally require more training to handle effectively.

I am allowed to carry an assist-opening pocket knife on campus if the blade is 4" long or less (faster, thinner and quieter), but I cannot carry a butterfly knife of the same length. Seriously?


Would you want to? If they're a significant danger to the wielder, they may as well be banned.
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*Woman cutting steak for family's dinner*
*SWAT Team breaks in*
"OH MY GOD SHE'S GOT A KNIFE!"
"Mam, you have three seconds to get drop the weapon or we will shoot."

I mean, is this an actual serious topic? Outlaw knives?

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Would you want to? If they're a significant danger to the wielder, they may as well be banned.


No one should be banned from owning something "because they might hurt themself with it." The list would be enormous. Besides, that's my point. The average person wouldn't want to carry a balisong anyway, and they certainly aren't going to misuse it as a weapon because they take so much practice to operate. So why ban them?

Personally, I would want to. I have practice with using them, and I can pass a lot of time flipping one back and forth in my hand. I use a balisong primarily for entertainment. Specifically, one with a very dull blade.
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I'll tell you the most likely reason why butterfly knives are banned: misconception.

People hear "pocket knife" and see this:
http://uncrate.com/p/2010/03/delegate-pocket-knife.jpg

People hear "butterfly knife" and see this:
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/229/0/6/TF2_Spy_by_JayAxer.jpg

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Besides, that's my point. The average person wouldn't want to carry a balisong anyway, and they certainly aren't going to misuse it as a weapon because they take so much practice to operate. So why ban them?


You know why the traditional cherry bomb is illegal in the US, right?
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I regularly carry a machete with a 2ft long blade with me when I take the trash out to the street because I live on a shared driveway and my neighbor has an unfriendly rottweiler that they let run around our neighborhood. I'm not going to be caught empty handed if it attacks me. I've considered buying a tactical 6ft spear since it would be a better weapon, but it costs $70.

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I regularly carry a machete with a 2ft long blade with me when I take the trash out to the street because I live on a shared driveway and my neighbor has an unfriendly rottweiler that they let run around our neighborhood. I'm not going to be caught empty handed if it attacks me. I've considered buying a tactical 6ft spear since it would be a better weapon, but it costs $70.


If by unfriendly, you mean vicious and threatening, you should be able to take legal action.
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If by unfriendly, you mean vicious and threatening, you should be able to take legal action.

It's not quite vicious, but it's behavior certainly questionable in terms of my safety. It growls, snarls, and jumps up and down from behind the its fence when it sees me walk by. The other day it, ran into my garage and almost made it into my house since the back door was open before my neighbor called it off! I didn't see me though because I was on the other side of my car. But I don't think I could do anything as of yet with the law.
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You know why the traditional cherry bomb is illegal in the US, right?


Yes. They were declared illegal by the Child Safety Act of 1966 (banning extremely dangerous chemicals, although flash powder is a composition, not a chemical). The government decided that they were too dangerous and regulated fireworks in general to lower powder mixture.

Your point? A knife is very, very different than an explosive, and the fact remains that a balisong is no more dangerous as a weapon than any other knife. Proper training, especially with a blunt blade, reduces the risk of self-injury, whereas no training can lessen the effect of an explosive.
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*Woman cutting steak for family's dinner*
*SWAT Team breaks in*
"OH MY GOD SHE'S GOT A KNIFE!"
"Mam, you have three seconds to get drop the weapon or we will shoot."

That last line is a joke, right? They open fire on golf clubs and water nozzles without saying that.
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They open fire on golf clubs and water nozzles without saying that.


If by they you mean "a select few"
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If by they you mean "a select few"

How many would be more than "few"? How many slide by internal investigations without repercussions after lying about their actions?
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How many would be more than "few"?


I chose 'few' because of it's ambiguous meaning. But we both know, as horrible as it is that there are police out there, not all police are like this.
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