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Posted Mar 23, '14 at 9:26pm

themastaplaya

themastaplaya

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There are many forms of non-firearm lethal weapons: knives, blunt instruments, bows/crossbows, etc. Since all of these can be and are used to commit crimes such as murder and armed robbery, should they be made illegal? At what point/and or what should weapons such as tactical/killing knives should be made illegal? Are these specialized knives useful tools for self defense, or should they be made illegal by the government? Since these weapons are much easier to obtain than guns (many can be made fairly easily too), what steps would be needed to enforce more restrictive laws against these weapons.

Finally, I will state my position. I believe that like just with guns, these weapons in question are only as bad or as good as the person that is holding it. I own many different types of tactical knives for self defense: machetes, kerambits, hunting knives, butterfly knives, etc..
I have no desire to use them unless when necessary to save myself from death or severe personal injury from an attacker(s).

 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 9:32pm

hezdog

hezdog

144 posts

I have a collection of swords that ranges from katanas, broadswords, daggers, etc. In my state it is illegal for me to sharpen most of these and to carry them in public. I agree with these laws (although I don't always follow them).

Somewhat off topic, but in China there have been multiple attacks when a few people with swords and knives manage to kill 20 people or more before police armed with guns are able to stop them.

 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 9:41pm

MattEmAngel

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Are these specialized knives useful tools for self defense, or should they be made illegal by the government?


One of the most intriguing of these is the balisong, known more commonly as the butterfly knife. They are banned in several states and explicitly banned in schools and colleges (labeled as "gravity knives," since gravity assists in opening them).

I still don't understand the logic. Has anyone else ever used a butterfly knife? I own several, and I can tell you that
1. They are difficult to open, closed and use without hours of practice
2. They are extremely uncomfortable and do not mold well to the human hand
3. The handle is held together by only a tiny latch.

It is more dangerous to the user than the target when a butterfly knife is involved without practice. Seriously, they are far more dangerous to you, and if you hit the latch, the handle will separate and you'll lose control. A folding pocket knife is just as lethal and even easier to operate. Heck, I have an instructional book on fighting with a balisong, and all of the pictures in demonstrations are done with a Bowie knife.

I am allowed to carry an assist-opening pocket knife on campus if the blade is 4" long or less (faster, thinner and quieter), but I cannot carry a butterfly knife of the same length. Seriously?
 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 10:29pm

FishPreferred

FishPreferred

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A ban on knives would be completely unenforceable. Knives are used in food preparation and eating. You can make one from a piece of steel using a simple grinder, or even a file and a whetstone. Blunt instruments are even easier to obtain and manufacture. Bows and the like would be much easier to regulate, but generally require more training to handle effectively.

I am allowed to carry an assist-opening pocket knife on campus if the blade is 4" long or less (faster, thinner and quieter), but I cannot carry a butterfly knife of the same length. Seriously?


Would you want to? If they're a significant danger to the wielder, they may as well be banned.
 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 10:56pm

abt79

abt79

61 posts

*Woman cutting steak for family's dinner*
*SWAT Team breaks in*
"OH MY GOD SHE'S GOT A KNIFE!"
"Mam, you have three seconds to get drop the weapon or we will shoot."

I mean, is this an actual serious topic? Outlaw knives?

 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 11:04pm

MattEmAngel

MattEmAngel

6,502 posts

Would you want to? If they're a significant danger to the wielder, they may as well be banned.


No one should be banned from owning something "because they might hurt themself with it." The list would be enormous. Besides, that's my point. The average person wouldn't want to carry a balisong anyway, and they certainly aren't going to misuse it as a weapon because they take so much practice to operate. So why ban them?

Personally, I would want to. I have practice with using them, and I can pass a lot of time flipping one back and forth in my hand. I use a balisong primarily for entertainment. Specifically, one with a very dull blade.
 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 11:12pm

MattEmAngel

MattEmAngel

6,502 posts

I'll tell you the most likely reason why butterfly knives are banned: misconception.

People hear &quotocket knife" and see this:
http://uncrate.com/p/2010/03/delegate-pocket-knife.jpg

People hear "butterfly knife" and see this:
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/229/0/6/TF2_Spy_by_JayAxer.jpg

 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 11:27pm

FishPreferred

FishPreferred

1,558 posts

Besides, that's my point. The average person wouldn't want to carry a balisong anyway, and they certainly aren't going to misuse it as a weapon because they take so much practice to operate. So why ban them?


You know why the traditional cherry bomb is illegal in the US, right?
 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 11:28pm

themastaplaya

themastaplaya

1,052 posts

I regularly carry a machete with a 2ft long blade with me when I take the trash out to the street because I live on a shared driveway and my neighbor has an unfriendly rottweiler that they let run around our neighborhood. I'm not going to be caught empty handed if it attacks me. I've considered buying a tactical 6ft spear since it would be a better weapon, but it costs $70.

 

Posted Mar 23, '14 at 11:31pm

FishPreferred

FishPreferred

1,558 posts

I regularly carry a machete with a 2ft long blade with me when I take the trash out to the street because I live on a shared driveway and my neighbor has an unfriendly rottweiler that they let run around our neighborhood. I'm not going to be caught empty handed if it attacks me. I've considered buying a tactical 6ft spear since it would be a better weapon, but it costs $70.


If by unfriendly, you mean vicious and threatening, you should be able to take legal action.
 
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