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SirNoobalot
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As much as I hate to link to Fox News or Yahoo, there is word of a bill that would make the state book of the state the Bible, which raises questions of whether this violates the separation of church and state in the US Constitution.

The most relevant part of the Consitution regarding this topic is the Establishment clause, which prohibits the establishment of a religion by Congress. You may say that this applies only on the federal level, but through the SC case Everson v. Board of Education, (Link or tl;dr), the Establishment clause also applies to state and local government.
That was somewhat unrelated, and now to the more important question....

Does the nomination of a religious text as the official book of a state violate the Establishment clause?

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nichodemus
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I think it certainly does to the grossest degree; While it is claimed that the bill is not geared towards the purpose of showing state preference over other religious texts and by extension, religions, or to establish Christianity as the state religion, I feel this is tenacious at best, and blatantly fibbing at worse. What other purpose can it serve by adopting it as a State endorsed book? To highlight it's importance to the lives of Louisianians? Sounds a poor reason to me.

As much as I do not condone the enshrining (Get it? ) of any religious text or religion on such a pedestal, if this has to go ahead, then I hope the least condition they can enact as well is to similarly endorse all mainstream religious texts. That way, at least it shows non-favouritism, although it would still completely spit in the face of a separation of Church and State.

Also another nasty ecclesiastical pitfall, which version of the Bible will they choose as the State sanctioned copy?

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If i remembered correctly, US is a secular nation which separates Government from religion. by making the Bible the Louisiana's state book, this would completely negate your country's founding fathers wishes, which i don't think anyone in your country's court would want that. what i can say is, don't make any religious based state in your country, because i suspect the effects would ricochet across the nation, quite akin to a wildfire

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A terrible thing if it did happen, but it should have been foreseen, surely?

nichodemus
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A terrible thing if it did happen, but it should have been foreseen, surely?


After some of them tried to secede following the 2012 elections, we should have known.
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This is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!
The only way to stop this nonsense is to elect Democrats in a landslide to prevent this kind of insanity in the next elections!
They should also require a mental test for any future senators, governors, etc.
There are way too many nutcases in this country that can harm the population with such ridiculous behavior once they're in power.
Also, those freaks forget an important rule: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

nichodemus
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They should also require a mental test for any future senators, governors, etc.
There are way too many nutcases in this country that can harm the population with such ridiculous behavior once they're in power.


Allegedly a constituent petitioned him, perhaps it's just a cynical populist ploy?
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Allegedly a constituent petitioned him, perhaps it's just a cynical populist ploy?

If you lived here in the US, you wouldn't think this way, believe me.
Those people are dangerous to society.
When people reject reality over a book of mythology full of childish stories, it's a very serious matter.
If it were for them, USA would be like North Korea.
nichodemus
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If you lived here in the US, you wouldn't think this way, believe me.
Those people are dangerous to society.


I don't disagree that they pose a danger to society, what I was saying was, it could just be a tactic employed by Republicans to curry favour with the electorate, even if the candidates don't wholly believe in their actions.

Not that it matters though.
MattEmAngel
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Why do states even have a state book? I mean, seriously. They have a capital, a motto, a bird, a flag, a flower and some even have a state food and state song (for example, "Maryland My Maryland" and "My Old Kentucky Home").

Being proud of your state is good, and making each one unique is also good, but a state BOOK? What possible purpose does that serve? I think this whole controversy is an absolute waste of time and effort. This country has much bigger problems to deal with than griping over something as pointless as a "state book." It's almost like it was created just to gain attention and start another lengthy debate over the Bible, religion and American legislation. Like we don't have enough that already.

Can anyone give me a legitimately good reason for a state to have a state book, and is it worth the time to argue about it?

nichodemus
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Can anyone give me a legitimately good reason for a state to have a state book, and is it worth the time to argue about it?


It is worth arguing against if it brings up deeper arguments, such as the separation of religion from State.
MattEmAngel
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It is worth arguing against if it brings up deeper arguments, such as the separation of religion from State.


The entire thing smells of deliberately bringing up deeper arguments. I seriously doubt that Louisiana "forgot" about separation of religion and State laws. They know full well what the Constitution states (that's hardly an unsafe assumption) and that suggesting the Bible, the epitome of religious text, be voted as the "state book" is a play for attention.

There's no way this is a legitimate decision. Religion in America is an insanely touchy subject that has become more and more risky to discuss. Voting on something so blatantly unconstitutional is absurd and a waste of time.

I'm not surprised that Yahoo! covered it, though. They're just as full of it as this subject. Anything from FOX and Yahoo! is generally not worth your time. FOX condemned "bronies" because "middle-aged men are filing for unemployment so they can watch a show about ponies." They had an expert say that. On the news. Fail.
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the epitome of religious text


That's quite offensive to every other religion. (Unless you meant most common religious text in the US)
nichodemus
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The entire thing smells of deliberately bringing up deeper arguments. I seriously doubt that Louisiana "forgot" about separation of religion and State laws. They know full well what the Constitution states (that's hardly an unsafe assumption) and that suggesting the Bible, the epitome of religious text, be voted as the "state book" is a play for attention.

There's no way this is a legitimate decision. Religion in America is an insanely touchy subject that has become more and more risky to discuss. Voting on something so blatantly unconstitutional is absurd and a waste of time.


Of course it is a waste of time; but if it's a symptom of an innate need to inject religion in where it should not be, then it's worrying, and a very important subject to bring up.

I'm not surprised that Yahoo! covered it, though. They're just as full of it as this subject. Anything from FOX and Yahoo! is generally not worth your time. FOX condemned "bronies" because "middle-aged men are filing for unemployment so they can watch a show about ponies." They had an expert say that. On the news. Fail.


I don't think simple reporting would not be worth our time. If there was biased bigotry in the form of commenting from the networks and reporters then maybe not, but if all Yahoo or Fox did so far for this issue is to report it neutrally then it should be fine.
MattEmAngel
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That's quite offensive to every other religion. (Unless you meant most common religious text in the US)


Most common. You get the point. Whenever a religious debate comes up, the Bible is the evidence for or against the topic. We rarely hear controversies about the Vedas (Buddhism) and the Dao de Jing (Taoism), and Heaven forbid you mention the Qur'an.

Of course it is a waste of time; but if it's a symptom of an innate need to inject religion in where it should not be, then it's worrying, and a very important subject to bring up.


Just like the other five million important subjects people are screaming about (sarcasm). Gun control is one thing, because legislation is skimming around the wording, but something like this, which is openly unconstitutional, is really just not worth diverting attention to. Get the Supreme Court (or whoever has that jurisdiction) to send Louisiana a copy of the constitution and a "What the heck is wrong with you?" note and leave it alone.

They're clearly violating the constitution. Let the government handle it and find something else to do. Sorry if that seems rude or simplistic, but come on. It's like that one guy who wanted to burn a copy of the Qur'an. It was a huge deal, everyone and their dog wanted to argue about it and now no one remembers or cares. He was doing something controversial for attention, he got it, Muslims and Christians went insane, and in the end it was a waste of time. Considering how illegal this is, it feels like it's along the same lines.
MattEmAngel
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If there was biased bigotry in the form of commenting from the networks and reporters then maybe not, but if all Yahoo or Fox did so far for this issue is to report it neutrally then it should be fine.


I've spent countless hours on Yahoo! news articles and I assure you that they are addicted to bias and skewing information. Occasionally I went to an article just to read the comments, most of which were flaming the site for it.
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