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Drace wrote about his feelings concerning communism in another thread topic. It might make for an interesting discussion, so I broke it out and started this thread. Here's what he wrote:
Humans are to enjoy their life as they live, work is not to be done so restrictions to opportunity of pleasure are decreased, but to ensure that the opportunities are always available.
Work is bad because you are doing it so you can live your own life. You work to "buys" you your life. You are born with nothing, and you must work to provide yourself.
It should be done for something you love...thus, shouldn't be payed for it. I wonder how many doctors chose the profession just because of high pay, and how many of the poor would love to be doctors because they really love the job.
This is a reason why I adore communism. (Sorry had to say it)
Drace, I assume you are referring to communism professed by Karl Marx, not the Soviet-styled socialist-totalitarianism of the 20th Century.
The greatest point of criticism for Marxist theory has always been that it underestimates the nature of human greed, and this is why true Marxism has never been attempted at a national-governmental level. Granted, it can be made to work in smaller, relatively self-contained communities, but in a larger system, there is no means of preventing selfish and greedy people from taking advantage of the system.
How do you propose to address this?
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You go into a "shop", like a disturbance center, and get what you need.
Of course there are limits so you cant get a million loafs of bread!
A house is provided free, also.
How do these "shops" gain control of these items, and how does the gov't get the land and material to build houses, and how do they put them together?
When things are produced, they are delivered to those shops.
Ehh, there would be no private property. Property belongs to society as a whole. It is democracy.
When houses are needed to be built, there would be land. The material again comes from production...and there will construction workers of course.
And you just expect people to build and make this stuff, and receiving nothing in return?
It is their work. They provide to society, and society provides them. Remember the free shops?
No one is just going to provide hours of work to society and get nothing for them. The type of gov't you are talking about is really just living in an organized group in the wild. There are too many weak points in your gov't system. You're basically saying that we should all live like the Native Americans, it never works in a large group of people, and they still had their problems. You're basically expecting everyone to be a robot. You're not taking into account people, or their emotions.
You're not taking into account people, or their emotions.
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You should learn what Capitalism is then.
No one is just going to provide hours of work to society and get nothing for them.
Without society, you can't live! Therefore it must be united. People work which contribute to society, and someone benefits from this work and that person contributes something else...
All services and goods require labor. By providing one service, you get the rest of the labor for free. Its total freedom.
You're basically expecting everyone to be a robot. You're not taking into account people, or their emotions.
Oh yes lets just force them to do the work. That works!
What if a person with a dysfunctional pituitary gland causes him to eat massive amounts of food, and causes his performance to drop? Or if he doesn't get enough food, he would conserve energy anyways to maintain his growth. Basically, his performance would drop, and would throw the ratio of workroduction out of balance. Then other people might not get enough food because of the broken economic cycle and there will other people observing and learning from the lazy guy's behavior and would mimic him. This would result in the people desiring luxury and exploiting the government's economic structure.
I really wish we could be equal, as they wanted, but some people will always want more. More of anything really, power, love, money. Some people are just greedy.
@Eshploded,
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What if everyone just died in a capitalist society, how would it work!?
The production is plenty, if a few people could not work due to such a rare disease thingy, nothing will happen...
"Each according to ability, each according to need"
Btw, just for you guys..
In 1937, The Soviets bread production was so high, they made bread free that year.
They interviewing Bill Bland (a Marxist-Leninist) years later on the situation. They asked, "did anyone take advantage?".
He said,
"No. In the UK there's a limit to the amount of water you can pump before you get additional tax," (or something like that) "but you don't see people taking advantage of such a minor thing."
This wasn't like an OMG WOW thing. It was everyday life.
"Then other people might not get enough food because of the broken economic cycle and there will other people observing and learning from the lazy guy's behavior and would mimic him. This would result in the people desiring luxury and exploiting the government's economic structure."
You still need to counter that.
Also, if his whole family had that bad gene, would they still be able to get as much food as they want from the store?
Cough* The dysfunctional pituitary gland (this is real) usually has the person craving usually fatty foods and protein to boost growth. So they crave not only bread, but meat and other considered-to-be-precious foods.
Yes Esphloded, its "Each according to ability, each according to NEED".
"Then other people might not get enough food because of the broken economic cycle and there will other people observing and learning from the lazy guy's behavior and would mimic him. This would result in the people desiring luxury and exploiting the government's economic structure."
Thats simply out of reality...
First, you do get luxury...and two, why would someone mimic a lazy guy when they know if they stop working, they stop production, thus its going to be ended up with them with no food themselves. Remember is a democracy, the rest of society would not just let them all go lazy and do nothing.
Completely out of reality seriously.
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