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Drace wrote about his feelings concerning communism in another thread topic. It might make for an interesting discussion, so I broke it out and started this thread. Here's what he wrote:
Humans are to enjoy their life as they live, work is not to be done so restrictions to opportunity of pleasure are decreased, but to ensure that the opportunities are always available.
Work is bad because you are doing it so you can live your own life. You work to "buys" you your life. You are born with nothing, and you must work to provide yourself.
It should be done for something you love...thus, shouldn't be payed for it. I wonder how many doctors chose the profession just because of high pay, and how many of the poor would love to be doctors because they really love the job.
This is a reason why I adore communism. (Sorry had to say it)
Drace, I assume you are referring to communism professed by Karl Marx, not the Soviet-styled socialist-totalitarianism of the 20th Century.
The greatest point of criticism for Marxist theory has always been that it underestimates the nature of human greed, and this is why true Marxism has never been attempted at a national-governmental level. Granted, it can be made to work in smaller, relatively self-contained communities, but in a larger system, there is no means of preventing selfish and greedy people from taking advantage of the system.
How do you propose to address this?
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How are you going to handle the media's influence on the young?
"I hope when you think about a communist society, you will also consider outside influences, such as other nations. They can change the attitudes and personalities of the people and might eventually create some civil disorder and other conflict." ~just an old comment.
~Btw, isn't a communist society not supposed to have a leader?
Communism is a democracy, no, no leaders.
There is a transition stage between communism and capitalism, we call it socialism. The USSR was socialist. To turn into communism, capitalism must first be defeated. So there wouldn't be other of those nations...
And once you enter communism, borders would disappear.
[quote]How are you going to handle the media's influence on the young?
Ehh, we control the media?
And education always prevails.
Foreign affairs are a bit complicated. They don't always come in the form of technological communication, but also from other people. Are you planning on becoming isolated from other nations? What if you are in the cross-fire of a war? Or what if there is an underground business smuggling people inside, or corrupting the people internally ? (The people who exploit aren't brainless and are usually good at what they do)
Lol, never Zerato.
As long as there is a lower class, I am in it. As long as there is a criminal element, Iâm of it. As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free.
Espholoded, can't that happen in any society...?
Its pretty much out of reality again, and in defense, a communist society is MUCH more united then as of todays, so it would be harder to brainwash everyone like that >_>...
I'm saying that the communist society will become divided once foreign opinions and other influences start changing the people. They have ambition and greed to become leaders and powerful individuals. Moreover, they'll desire the freedom of their neighbors, and eventually (unless you turn the communist society into a police state) they will give up massive unity for their own identity and freedom. Or the society might be forced into poverty by natural disasters or civil attacks.
Communism is total freedom...
I'm saying that the communist society will become divided once foreign opinions and other influences start changing the people.
Will it? People aren't stupid lol. They don't do what you tell them. If the people are living happy and see that communism is working for them, they would just start changing...
Or the society might be forced into poverty by natural disasters or civil attacks.
Again, that makes more argument because it can easily happen here. In defense, we would recover from natural diseases faster because of unity...
Who says that everyone is going to stay united in the first place?
Everyone has different beliefs, religion, racism, the list goes on.
It still ensures that there would be unity. The USSR, in reference, was very united.
Problem was, it was not a democracy yet.
Will it? People aren't stupid lol. They don't do what you tell them. If the people are living happy and see that communism is working for them, they would just start changing...
People can be manipulated, politics show us the powerful extent. Advertising and persuasion gets to the people, know this, and although it may not be easy, it happens. The people's wants, fears, and values are targeted to persuade them, and this is the basis of propaganda, advertising, and control overall. Then they get new opinions and such.
Again, that makes more argument because it can easily happen here. In defense, we would recover from natural diseases faster because of unity...
The people's mind already differ from each other. They may look at the long term or the short-term, and then decide what to do. Then they begin to exploit others and form a separate groups, kinda like the Russian mafia.
Also, your country doesn't start off with a clean slate, people still have their own history and heritage, which can extend to attitudes and behaviors.
Advertising and persuasion gets to the people, know this, and although it may not be easy, it happens.
Ok living in a democracy, how could people allow to propaganda be run on TV?
Also, your country doesn't start off with a clean slate, people still have their own history and heritage, which can extend to attitudes and behaviors.
USSR again. No problem with that.
Then they begin to exploit others and form a separate groups, kinda like the Russian mafia.
How could they exploit others? I don't see that possible without money. And lol, this is what is happening right now.
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