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thewilddingo
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The U.S.A has the most power in the world and is considered the superpower....but why ?

The only major thing that we did was bomb Japan

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germany gave up because they were afraid right?? how come they couldn't just bomb us to continue the war??the germans had so much power....why did they basically put it to waste???

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60 MILLION were lost in world war 2 it was the most destroctive and deadly war in history. the space below honors all the veterans who sacrificed their lives for freedom.





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Parsat
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There was a race between The Soviet Union and The USA to capture Berlin, but the Soviets prevailed and The Soviet Union got the honor of capturing the capital of Germany.

The real competition was between two Russian generals, Zhukov and Konev. As such, both their armies encircled Berlin, ensuring their victory. Eisenhower didn't want diplomatic problems, so the Allies went to southern Germany to destroying any remnants of Nazi rule.
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ahh i love WW2, great subject.


The U.S.A has the most power in the world and is considered the superpower....but why ?


Because you are the strongest economically. It is not just due to WW2 although that was a major factor.

The only major thing that we did was bomb Japan
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That is not true. The Americans were vital to the victory of the allies in europe. Arguably the Russians would have beaten them eventually anyway, but without the Americans it would have taken a hell of a lot longer and many more lives would have been lost. D day probably would have never taken place.

germany gave up because they were afraid right?? how come they couldn't just bomb us to continue the war??the germans had so much power....why did they basically put it to waste???


They gave up because they had no choice, they were soundly beaten. They couldnt bomb the allies because by late 1944 the allies had aerial superiority. Unquestionably they did have a lot of power but the Eastern front as Churchill said ''tore the heart out of the german army''. The germans didnt waste their power they were just too rigid. The leadership of Hitler was disastrous and the Blitzkreig tactics used in the ealy days was very predictable and easily countered by the end of the war. However the one area in which germany did waste its power was allocating so much resources to the holocaust which could have been used to the war effort.

Well Germany basically gave up because we were on their shores and closing in. Germany was strong, but the US and allies had the tactics.


The germans only gave up right at the end when the russians were in the heart of berlin. Hitlers orders were to fight until the last man. Allied tactics on the westermn front are somewhat inconsistent. The mix of british and us troops along the line didnt go particularly smoothly especially with montgomery and eisenhower not getting on, however the job evidently got done. On the Eastern front the tactics were non existent- send in the tanks and then the hoards of men.

Failure to squash Russia quickly.


Give credit to the russian forces however. Tactically splitting up his 3 main armies was a mistake, however the germans didnt take russia in 1942 for lack of trying. The blitzkreig tactics were very effective, but the vastness of russia stretched their supply lines to absurdity. Couple that with a masterstroke of Russian tactics the encirclement of the germans at stalingrad and the stalemate is complete. Throw in the russian winter and you have an almost impossible fight.

he NEVER retreated


Not only this but he didnt suplly his men with winter clothing. Anyone who spoke of it was charged with treason as it implied the germans wouldnt win in that year. Crazy.

propaganda is uneffective at all levels, and this was one of those where even Hitler's skill at manipulation could not surpass.


It was actually Goebells who was the head of propaganda for the Nazi party, Hitlers attempts were often too overt and so failed.

I know that the bombing of Pearl Harbor was an attempt to destroy several fuel lines and many huge aircraft carriers, but still...The ships they were targeting left days before the actual attack.


The Japanese were attempting to destroy the US pacific fleet. They werre just unlucky that some ships were out of port at the time otherwise they would have succeeded and the US would have been delayed several months and givent he Japs more time to prepare so tactically it was more astute than you give the Japs credit for.

Hitler declares war on the United States. So, good move Adolf.


Hitler had enetered the anti comintern pact with japan and italy and so he was obliged to declare war on them. He also needed to stop US supplies reaching Britain.

The United States was able to lend weapons to the Allied Forces, but still supplied them to the Axis on a far smaller scale so it wouldn't look like we were ultimately taking sides.


Sounds like a cowards way out if you ask me, but at least you turned up for the chocoalte and the glory at the end.

the US had finished an atomic bomb, and warned the Japanese to surrendor. When they refused, they were nuked, massive amounts of innocents killed. When again they refused to surrendor, and were nuked, they finnally gave up, thus ending the war.


The US never actually warned the japanese that they were going to use the atomic bomb. Their generals persuaded against this because they wanted to see how it would work as a weapon of war and warning the japanese would negate that factor.

Yes, but he made it seem like he was killed. Yeah either way though. Also two great battles were many soldiers lost their lives. D-Day, and Operation Market Garden.


Hitler probably did commit suicide. Primary sources indicate that he was (secretly) horrified that if he was captured he would be taken by the rusiiansd killed and his body paraded around Russia.

You will find documents on how the US and UK didn't even bother to try and capture Berlin. They gave it to the Soviets. The US only invaded Europe to gain influence and stop Communist presence.


Very ture, even the French who obviously did practicalkly nothing to help the war effort were given a zone in Berlin, just to lessen the Russians grip there.
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Sounds like a cowards way out if you ask me, but at least you turned up for the chocoalte and the glory at the end.


I wouldn't be too quick to call that cowardly. Remember that the Americans were sick of European affairs after the terrible disillusionment of WWI. As a result, they weren't too keen to jump into the fray. However, because America was just starting to recuperate from its Great Depression, business was business.
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Remember that the Americans were sick of European affairs after the terrible disillusionment of WWI


Just remember the americans didnt actually suffer very badly from WW1. They didnt join the league of nations in the 20s and for much of the 30s they actually supported Germany in much of their foreign policy especially with regards to the treaty of versailles.

As for being sick of european affairs, how could they be as they didnt get involved in them at all in the 20s or 30s. They instead chose a policy of isolationism. As for america recovering from the great depression that is a pretty feeble excuse. European countries and especially germany were the most affected by this as most of europe relied on us loans, dont forget europe wasnt fully recovered from ww1 yet, let alone the great depression.

Many americans are naive enough to belive they 'saved your butts in ww2', when really they hung britain out to dry for a long time. we survived the battle of britain without help, we pushed the germans out of north africa without help. The russians defended their homeland without american help. Admittedly it would have been much harder to defeat the germans in europe without the us but i dont belive it would have been impossible. I am not saying that americans werent extremely brave and didnt play a massive part which they did, i just find it annoying and patronising when americans act like the saviours of the world when statistically they suffered the least. 20mil soviet deaths, 10mil german deaths, 2 mil british deaths and 300 000 american ones. the stats say it all.
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Failure to squash Russia quickly.


Hitler had a bit too much pride to form a military alliance with Russia. Although he already had a peace treaty, Hitler decided to attack the Soviet instead of persuading them to join him.
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The nazi soviet pact was never designed to last. It was a delaying action for both parties involved. The soviets wanted time to build up their armies and the nazis wanted to be able to defeat britain and france without encirclement like in the first world war. This pact enabled that to happen. With such conflicting ideologies ie left vs right and such conflicting agendas eg Hitlers lebensraum in the east and stalins soviet sphere of influence in the east they wer ebounbd to clash.

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Just remember the americans didnt actually suffer very badly from WW1. They didnt join the league of nations in the 20s and for much of the 30s they actually supported Germany in much of their foreign policy especially with regards to the treaty of versailles.


It is certainly true that American losses were much less compared to that of the British or the French, but a war is a war. Americans had not seen such a high number of casualties since the Civil War, and disillusionment was high.
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The U.S.A has the most power in the world and is considered the superpower....but why ?
The only major thing that we did was bomb Japan
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germany gave up because they were afraid right?? how come they couldn't just bomb us to continue the war??the germans had so much power....why did they basically put it to waste???


The reason the United States became a superpower was because of our production capacity, and the fact that neither Germany, nor Japan, could hinder it.

Neither country had the means to attack the U.S. as they had no heavy bombers that could cross the Atlantic, or Pacific oceans.

Germany didn't give up because they were scared. They gave up because the allies (the U.S., Britan, and the Soviets) destroyed their ability to make war.

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germany gave up because they knew they lost because they took on to many people at once if they didnt attack russia at the same time as fighting us they would of won
plus if hitler didnt kill all his generals

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There were some flaws with Germany, but when you break it down, it's 3 countries against 1, so it's hard to say that the Allies won, they beat up on Germany as a whole.

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Because America is the wealthiest and heavily armed? And had an idiot which could use it without thinking of the consequences. (Bye bush)

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My gosh, no offense, but thewilddingo made a poorly researched opening statement. I mean, he didn't really think that much into it, no offense. The German's had the ruthless Soviets coming from the west. The Americans and the Brits coming from the south, north, and east. Plus many small armies fighting, from resistance groups in France and poland to Canadian troops. There planes had been shot to heck in the Battle of Britain. And sure the German's were scared, to. The reason America is so powerful is because we fought, we gained liberty, and we had faith in God {for the most part}. That's why we are powerful. It's because we prayed, we shot, we didn't back out from any wars. That's why I don't like liberal view points as much in the politics area. I like most of them, as friends and people, but when it comes to politics, meh. We fought for liberty, and that's how we'll keep it.

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True, Americans never pull out of wars unless there is a dire reason for their doing so. Plus, when no one attacks your homefront, you can ship troops and weapons with ease and use them to crush your enemy, and America has done this many many times in wars.

Germany had set out to win global domination, but after quite a few early victories, they just started to crumble a little. They started falling apart when the U.S started fighting on the Allies side.

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I'd argue that they started crumbling right when winter set in around Russia. If Mussolini hadn't been acting stupid in Greece and Africa, delaying the Germans, Operation Barbarossa might have actually succeeded.

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