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Posted Mar 17, '08 at 12:29pm

Armed_Blade

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He's not too Liberal, to be honest. His ACTIONS have been Liberal, but at times when the government is as it is.. Liberalism goes into a pretty far off subject. Honestly, Realism as a republican is mainly focused on money and wealthyer people. If young people go on the democratic side 1) they may be a more closer to republicans than you think, and 2)If democratz didn't tihnk a bout the world and worry about it here an now, they wouldn't exist. In short, he's just cutting taxes for the people that can't pay them. And stopping a gulf war thats wasting america's revenue. What a fun way to run a government. McCain is doing the same thing, putting him and his "I'm cuttin spending!" line at an end. Or, like the Daddy Bush who made millions of dollars with his war. All I'm saying is, theres a twinge of Liberalism that this country lacks, a complete capitolist society its a bit murderous. As we all have seen, Lower class citizens suffer while the rich get richer.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 12:31pm

Armed_Blade

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Oh, sorry, went off topic, dun kil meh >.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 12:37pm

Megamickel

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Young people are recent graduates. But most people I know who are in their 30s-40s (not even just my family, either) tend to be more conservative, because they've realized that hope is ****in' retarded and doesn't solve the problems of the real world. Welfare sucks because all it does is cause people to be dependent. Free health care would still have a divide, because the rich people would be able to get BETTER health care - which I totally agree with! If you have more money, you deserve more stuff! I'm a poor, working-class American, but I still hate the concept of communism. You apparently don't like capitalism, but I love it. Capitalism is the fuel that drives some of the best technological advances. Would Ford have worked so hard on his Model T and his assembly line if there were no profit incentive? No. Would we have made many of the advances we have in medical technology? No, pharmaceutical companies are generally in it for the money. Hell, could we even be here without greedy people? No! Armor Games tries to make money through us via ads, and the companies who publish ads are greedy and trying to get us to go to their web pages. See, it's all about profit - without that, we couldn't be here. Funny coming from a fascist? But it's true. Anyone can get rich if they get a good idea and market it right. When Starbucks started, did anyone think it would catch on? I doubt it. But look at them now, you can't throw a pebble without bouncing it off three of 'em >_

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 12:53pm

Armed_Blade

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Whoa, Whoa. Backwards, FORD would have worked on Mr. T because their would be an incentive. But honestly, Capitolism at its extent would end up an economy where the rich would survive and the poor wouldn't. Mabye so that a Poor Working-Class American can get buy and see the richer things. But do you belive that a man that doesn't make as much money is entitled to nothing? Because of the way he was born? Maybe if he has some alchoholic theft life I'd say give him a hell of a time but Jeez, I'm not syaing put it at the concept of Communism. But don't let it fall into the concept of GREED! When Starbucks started, it had to hire poor people, ones needing jobs hoping to be well fed by the company that can't get hid by a pebble. If all of that crumbles, then profit incentive can't drive. Pharmaceutical companies would keep going, with less greed drive. So then the littler people of America could make it through. Now, to be honest, I've seen Poverty with my own eyes in lots of places, America is the one place where its starting. I hope it doesn't. Welfare is retarded, but people that become dependent don't deserve it. Kinda why its welfare, its to help the lives of those who need it. Not of those who suck off of it.  and Hope always helps, buddy, you just have to back it up with actios. Everything runs on money, not on greed. Armor games does do the Via Ad thing, so companies don't put you at your web pages to suck your MONEY! Just to keep the natural flow of market running around. No one forces a man to buy something. But something a man needs, desperateley, something that will help him survive costs so much he can't afford it? And a company making an above Research, Profit, Hiring, and Making incentive SHOULD be able to cut the price down because they can. Won't kill the buisness, won't kill the growth of the company. All it will do is keep it  a penny slower. Which the world needs if people who use technological advances are to survive. I'm not saying kill the idea of it, but everything has to be ocntrolled. Or.. All in all.. Capitalism is an extent which favors the richest, and slowly by slowly makes its mark at other places. Greedy leaders in the past such have kings have been downfall to communities. Nowadays, the presedent gets 50Grand a year [I think, kinda forgot my history textbook] and Corporate America Drives it. But with Capitalism allowing jobs to be shipped to China nothing good will happen to America Economically. And Greedy idiots won't down it and help the world KNOWING that they'll keep up their advances, money, influence and also keep things up. But no, another 50 10,000 Dollar Bills is too much to giant corporations running billions of dollars out.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 1:07pm

Megamickel

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^I think you're seeing me as some rich kid from a rich family. I'm really, REALLY not. We live in a small, 3-bedroom house with 5 people, living off of my parents' wages from paycheck to paycheck. We were a little better before my dad lost his old job, but that wasn't his fault. Regardless, I'll work my way up and get rich, I'll take care of my family, and I'll create jobs for poorer people in the process. You think rich people work at Starbucks? They don't pay very well, I think it's like $7.00 an hour in most places. Maybe a little higher if you're in a place with a high cost of living, but not enough. I respect someone who creates a large corporation or invents some new product that needs to be built, as it opens jobs and opportunities to people instead of just another handout.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 1:16pm

Armed_Blade

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I heard what you said. I know that they don't have cash. But a Large Corporation that creates Jobs an Oppurunities for people may be all well. But the problem with that is if those companies all want cash and don't care about much else, they'll fly to Asia, leaving the Jobs. All we'll get is expensive crap in the market. Now, starbucks is Domestic, so if I showed you the Domestic side of it, in truth 1) With the way the Economys going and the way the country collects taxes all has a big impact on the market. And such a Market needs some Governmental movement to keep it running. Something that Lobbyists and whatnot are keeping out of control. Someone helping the world is AWESOME. But working your way up and getting rich and having a family is tough, the world and your sweet country have to help you on with the job. The Big Shceme is, That [I think in the Bible, too, I'm not Christian] but somewhere it talkes about not to be Greedy. Only because it ruins other peoples lives. And maybe yours, too.  If your rich or not. Someone that creates a Large corporation inventing something that took millions to be built has to be repaid -- Yet.. Repaid at such a Financial Cost that some people needing health care and what not can't receive it? There should be some leeway in the way corporations work instead of just Deeds and Stocks. Yet its not running that way. So maybe  Capitalism drives the worlds advances, but it should be controlled so that when its advanced people aren't left behind. After 2009 America is going HD TV's. The Price of them is also falling. If the Economy is working as it is now, giving money for the rich and sucking away the value of our dollar, market, and need. Things will be harder to get. Specially for someone making 7 an hour.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 1:25pm

Megamickel

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You think that these people who invented amazing technologies were thinking about everyone else? Nope. I respect Rockefeller FAR more than anyone from the Salvation Army. Why? He made oil available to working-class families, allowing the day to not end when the sun went down, for families to have more time to spend together. Did he do it for the working class families? Hell no! He did it to get rich! But without his greed, oil never would have been made available to most people. Fact of the matter is that greedy people do things for themselves, but the end result is that it helps everyone else. Hording money may seem wrong to you, but if you earn the money, you can do whatever you want with it. That's the basis behind the American free market.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 1:32pm

Armed_Blade

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I think your misguided. Not everyone is greedy. That man could have been just as ten times as smart and made it hella expensive. Yet, he didn't. The Basis behind the American Market is that you need everyone to buy. Not to have one man Monopolizing the worlds share of cash.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 1:35pm

Megamickel

Megamickel

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You know why he didn't make it 10x more expensive? Because he could afford to sell it cheaper, and therefore got a bigger share of the market. The REASON he got rich and got the monopoly is BECAUSE he made it available to the poor. Without that, someone else would have come in and undercut HIS prices so they could sell more and get rich. It all boils down to the ol' greenback. Love it or hate it, it's a truth. Anyone has the opportunity to get rich, but few have the will or the smarts. It's those few who control the market, as it rightly should be.

 

Posted Mar 17, '08 at 1:54pm

Armed_Blade

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True, now put it in a different perspective. This man is sharing the market thanks to prices, the way it should be. Now, a Company in England Producing whoever the heck knows what that is entitled and essentially needed to people to do this or that is madly ovverrun by price. Dun dun dun... and, sadly, No other buisness can do what this buisness can. Whatever it is they're making. [Such as some Companies that make medicine] And so, the price can be expensive, because someones willing to get it for way too much, which then puts people at a drawback for the economy. Thats happenening so much, the American market is declining.