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Which one do you think is better?
I think that Communism is better because more people have jobs everyone gets food and shelter.
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If the mighty CEO had no workers, he would have no money. I think it is only fair that he actually shares it evenly. Sure, he could get a higher amount of money still, but the gap between the rich and the poor should shrink.
The "mighty CEO" generally works their way up to that position. If I worked my ass of for YEARS to become a CEO, why is it fair for me to share my resulting income with people complacent in their current position? Generally speaking, anyone who wants more can go and get it for themselves.
Equal opportunity, sure. I believe in that. But people have unequal motivation, unequal drive. If you don't want it badly enough to drive yourself and work your ass off for it, you don't deserve it!
The "mighty CEO" generally works their way up to that position. If I worked my *** of for YEARS to become a CEO, why is it fair for me to share my resulting income with people complacent in their current position? Generally speaking, anyone who wants more can go and get it for themselves.
Equal opportunity, sure. I believe in that. But people have unequal motivation, unequal drive. If you don't want it badly enough to drive yourself and work your *** off for it, you don't deserve it!
HA! thats a good laugh. Practically every CEO is a shame fool who just got lucky. I think there is a difference between the 40-100K workers and 30-300M bonuses the CEO's get (Depending on type and power of business). Anyone remember a bit back when the banks were on their knees crying for a bailout? They spent 10,000 dollars just on their trip to the court on their private jets! And as soon as they got their bail out, what did they do? Refused to lend it out, close banks, take a all expense paid vacation to the country of their choosing. When the money was suppose to be going towards giving out loans to help them. Not to mention when things get tough they're on their private jet to their 18th beach house in Hawaii faster than you can say "I got laid off?!".
Now, im not saying their isn't good CEO's in the world... I'm just saying thats like finding a grain of salt in a tub of sugar
Honestly, Socialism would help correct these problems, crack down on these scams and besides...It's the banks fault in the first place the banks got lazy and just gave a loan to anyone and when they don't pay back... We got to bail them out!!
Honestly the state of America's Capitalist society is a lie thats gone on for far to long my comrades.
The Revolution is coming comrades... The question is... Are you ready?...
The "mighty CEO" generally works their way up to that position. If I worked my *** of for YEARS to become a CEO, why is it fair for me to share my resulting income with people complacent in their current position? Generally speaking, anyone who wants more can go and get it for themselves.
Equal opportunity, sure. I believe in that. But people have unequal motivation, unequal drive. If you don't want it badly enough to drive yourself and work your *** off for it, you don't deserve it!
And when they try to break the law, find loop holes to rip people off, or when they do a poopie job, ask the government for more money, or force workers to form worker's unions so that they can actaully get their raises, is that still justified? The way the wealth is spread out is unfair; you're giving to much power and money to too few, the economy should be controlled by worker's unions and councils and possibly the state. It worked in the Soviet Union until the white armies and Stalinism messed everything up, and it's started to do some good in Scandinavia. Let socialism spread to all workers of the world!
Don't use my family's taxes to bail out the capitalist system, the CEOs are what caused the problem, stop giving them the people's money! Instead, to prevent another depression and an economic international disaster, we need to nationalize every failing business and fire irresponsable CEOs.
The soilders with the quote 'We shoot at you'
This had to be made soon after the Russian Revolution, or with the Revolution in mind. I have 2 Uncles and a Cuz in Iraq or Afghanistan, and the only people they've shot and killed are some terrorist. Unless the soilders are from a differnt nation that my nation is at war with...
And what about the workers at the bottom? What if they became private business owners? Or rose to a higher ranking in their company? Wouldn't they then rise up on the Pyramid, and become the group(s) in the wrong? So basically, assuming the poster/flyer is your view of socialism/communism, your only good/safe if your on the bottom. And nobody wants to be on the bottom where I live...
What if they became private business owners?Keep in mind not everyone can be business owners, therefore you must keep the majority workers.
It's impossible for the majority to be rich unless you have advanced robots.
Let me talk about the life of a communist and what it would be like. Maybe this can put things in perspective.
Though what I write might not happen with communism, there is no reason at all that it couldn't happen.
I am communist. Everyone works for each other. That's what we say. I don't know about anything anymore though. We can't afford new furniture because it costs too much. We can barely afford electricity because the folks at the powerplant hardly do any work. I work hard so that me and my family can live well, but I no longer care to help those that I once called brothers.
Mark, once a former friend of mine, always laughed about communsim. He acts like a child in gradeschool. He shows a lot of motivation when the boss is around, but he stands their working at a slugs pace when he's alone. There are many other's like him. My wife on the other hand is having a mental break down. A group of people who work under her keep leaving for home without finishing their jobs. It all falls back to my wife, who has to finish everything they don't do.
Not everyone is lazy though. Many people are, in fact, proud of what they do. But slowly, one by one, each one of us loses faith in the system. They take a 'vacation' every time they feel depressed by not working as hard. I was once like that. Now I have no job. I was laid off. Our country is going into further debt, and the prices of food and home have gone up more than most of us can afford. Many companies had to shut down.
I may join the police force, but I will only live in constant fear of my life. Crime has gone up, many people have lost their minds. They aren't the ones who scare me though. Underground operations have become popular. I can see why. Other countries have offered us more money for our products than our own country. Not only do other countries pay more, but they don't force us to share our profits with complete strangers.
Their are many debates on what to do about the problem. Some people think we should have more government involvment. I believe that the government is making a profit off our struggles though. Those who swore to keep balance have comitted crimes behind the backs of the people. They are all in the crimes together.
A few people are trying to incorperate capitalism, but no one wants to listen to them. Despite our troubles, hardly anybody wants to change. We were promised peace within ourselves, but now no one can be trusted. Every man is a greedy dog who cares only of himself, or his family.
The only thing we can do now is hope that the government takes all that we have. Ever dollar stockpiled, every spare car that a family doesn't need, everything will be distributed between the people so we are all equally poor. That way, we may rot away together, as equals.
Keep in mind not everyone can be business owners, therefore you must keep the majority workers.
Yes, I agree, not everyone can be business owners. But what if your bussiness suceeds? And it turnes into a corpartation? Accoricing to ColonelAarons little chart, that would make the ex-worker just as bad as a longtime Priest, or King/President/Minister. Which further reinforces the fact that you only 'really' win in a communist government, if your on the bottom aka, the workers.
It's impossible for the majority to be rich unless you have advanced robots.
But if all bussinesses and such are owned by the government, the people who spend their own money to help the business would essentially lose this, and become just like the workers, because they would be in pay of the government. So it would really be Government -> Workers (of various degrees)
I am communist. Everyone works for each other. That's what we say. I don't know about anything anymore though. We can't afford new furniture because it costs too much. We can barely afford electricity because the folks at the powerplant hardly do any work. I work hard so that me and my family can live well, but I no longer care to help those that I once called brothers.
Yes, because doing the work that my co-workers were to lazy to do is just so fair.
I may join the police force, but I will only live in constant fear of my life. Crime has gone up, many people have lost their minds. They aren't the ones who scare me though. Underground operations have become popular. I can see why. Other countries have offered us more money for our products than our own country. Not only do other countries pay more, but they don't force us to share our profits with complete strangers.
Crime is like the ocean. It goes up, it goes down. Up down up down. Occasionally there are Tidal Waves, but as long as their are towns, and civilizations, their will ALWAYS, be crime. Period.
Their are many debates on what to do about the problem. Some people think we should have more government involvment. I believe that the government is making a profit off our struggles though. Those who swore to keep balance have comitted crimes behind the backs of the people. They are all in the crimes together.
So, all the money the Obama Administration and Congress plans to spend on reforms, is really going into the politicians pockets? What?! -_-
The only thing we can do now is hope that the government takes all that we have. Ever dollar stockpiled, every spare car that a family doesn't need, everything will be distributed between the people so we are all equally poor. That way, we may rot away together, as equals.
Why dont we shoot all the atheletic people in the foot so that we dont make out-of-shape people feel bad?
...every spare car that a family doesn't need...
Well, if there too poor to afford a car, and can barely afford food, what makes you think they can afford a car, hmmm? Unless the Gov' plans on paying for this familys gas. And I'm going to assume that you think you should take Two of my familys cars, because next year, I'm driving, and its just not possible for my mom to take my sister to elementary school, my step-bro to a middleschool 45 mins away from our house, and then me and my other sister to a private-christian school 30 mins away from our house, and 1 hour away from the middle school. And what about my stepdad? He saves money by driving to anywhere he is needed on the east coast. After that, he flys. And he still has to drive to the airport, about 2 hours away. So my family would do just dandy with only one car. -_-
Really, the one of my biggest problems with socialism is that everything has to be 'fair' for everybody. If you feel this strongly about it, next time you have to run a mile or so for your school fitness program, take the most out of shape kid in your class, and offer to carry him the whole way. Its not fair to anybody who works hard, goes to college, gets good grades, to have to support the people who screwed around in school, dropped out of highschool, and are flipping hamburgers in Mickey D's.
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