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thoadthetoad
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I could be considered a "non conformist" in many aspects. I often try not to follow what is popular and "in" simply because it is popular (unless I see that it could actually be good). Because of this, I often cringe as I look on at all the people around. They all seem as if they are paper cutouts. About a year ago, I tried to explain it using math:

"If the equality rule of huamnity is in effect, person x equals person y. Therefore...
x = y.
Therefore x = x.
Therefore, if equality is in state, people seek to become other people."

I can only wonder if there's any truth to this. Am I truly wrong in the respect that people seem to want to be just like each other? Is the idea that equality is responsible actually true?

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AnaLoGMunKy
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Haha... I walk around sometimes and randomly make "baaaa!" noises. I love doing this when Im in a line.

Anyway, yes I agree with the paper cutouts. The cloths etc look the same. It all prolly comes from some famous persons look. There are so few original people in the world. I wouldnt say mine or any original persons style doesnt have influence, but its exactly that, influence and not the cardboard cutouts that seem to dominate the streets.

logantheking
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Most people nowadays are seeking their identity in what the think is popular, it has become an obsession for many people.

Sonatavarius
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what's considered attractive changes with time. if someone sees something that's being done by someone else they may mimic it so that they too may feel like they're attractive. I'm not sure they want to become that person... just hopefully by doing the same things it'll work for them too.

on the flip side... i've heard that some people (girls mostly) will refuse to wear a dress or an article of clothing if they find out that someone else has already worn the same style clothing. to me that's actively working against making themselves into a replica of someone else

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i dont think that its human nature for everyone to be the same, i think its just somethings like the silly bands are kinda cool, and collectable so people search for them.

other things like raving and rolling on ex, can however be your kinda philosophy. for example. if someone of the "nerd" sort start hanging around and befriending a few raver friends, he will start to be like them in the sense that he is with a popular crowd. so its kinda people strive to be like eachother, not for the sake of equality but for acceptance

keeton52
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I want to make a good comment using my own personal opinions and beliefs and what not. But I can't...your description just flushed my brain down the toilet.

samy
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I dress fairly normal I get some of my clothes from American Eagle some from American Apparel and some from random stores. I don't think the way someone dresses is a good way to determine if they're conformist or simply because it's much easier to dress in the style at the time as every store carries it. I'm not a conformist and I haven't been one in a while but I don't define who i am by the material on my body.

wolf1991
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Is it not a conformity to conform to the lack of conformity? We worry far to much over the minor matters of socital acceptances and digression. While this may or may not be a fact of our current society, has it not always been the case? we, as humans are social creatures, as such we wish to fit in somewhere with someone so that we are not lonely and thus feel the burdens of solitude. Now we can sit here and discuss the differences between "conformist" and "non-conformist", but what would be the point? For to some degree we all desire to fit in and therefore we model ourselves to the group that we feel the most comforatble with, whether that group be a majority or minority in our society. We are all conformists.

CommanderDude7
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People see those who have become successful and seek to emulate them. We are social creatures and thus form groups. Like wolf says there really are no true conformists.

CommanderDude7
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*Edit* I meant nonconformists at the end of the above.

IcyIndia
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This is a lot like the thread on Free Will. We all want to conform to some extent, but we have people telling us to be ourselves. Everyone gravitates to the mean and any irregularities are considered abnormal, not unique. Or vice versa, depending on that person's prejudices.

samy
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By the way affixing the label of nonconformist to yourself identifies you as a member of the nonconformist group making the whole thing pointless. It's like describing something as indescribable all you really did was confuse some English majors.

wolf1991
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By the way affixing the label of nonconformist to yourself identifies you as a member of the nonconformist group making the whole thing pointless. It's like describing something as indescribable all you really did was confuse some English majors.


And concequentially made the Philosophy Majors question the entire suject thus creating an arguement of sorts.
Sonatavarius
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i could careless about the labels. if its what people want to do then its what they want to do. yes people dress the same but i don't know of any two people that are the same once i get to know them. out of billions of people I'm sure there are going to be several that act and dress alike. i'll judge them based on actions they do other then how they decide to dress...if i go out of my way to judge them like that at all

MoonFairy
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This is intersting, but I'm pretty sure the win of this will be the middle ground.
People like to think that they are original, when I'm sure there are at least 500 people around the world doing the same thing thinking that they are original. Eventually, if the person that tried to be original had a big influence on those around them, it starts a trend, and becomes UNoriginal.
I think that maybe, you can be original for a second or two. But during those seconds, either someone saw you and likes what you did, and will follow it, claiming it to be their originality, or someone else on the Earth will be doing the same thing.

Now I will go back and re-read what excatly the question was.....

MoonFairy
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I don't think that ALLLLLLL people want to be like each other. If you want to go to sterotypes, Do Gothic people want to date the cutest Jock? Depends on your own personality.

If you are saying that since we are all equal, we should want to stay equal by trying to be like everyone else?
Maybe if you are trying to achieve equilibrium, but I believe that we humans continuously shift the power to either side just to stir things up to keep us occupied.

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