Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

Where is the evidence of creation? Don't tell me "Well, it's in the Bible/Torah/Koran." That cannot be taken as fact on a scientific basis. There is OVERWHELMING evidence to prove evolution...

http://records.viu.ca/~johnstoi/essays/courtenay1.htm
http://www.proof-of-evolution.com/

The last one is a Christian site BTW

I may make myself sound like a fool, but here goes nothing.
  I do believe that creation occurred. Why? Because even with the Big Bang Theory, the elements that came together would have had to have come from somewhere.
  This isn't to say that I don't think evolution occurs. Its just I don't believe humans evolved.

Yeah, maybe you should understand what evolution is and how it works rather that basing your judgements on obscure metaphors that have very few to do with it (the clock one is about abiogenesis).

I really think you should read up on evolution, as, in all honesty, it doesn't seem like you fully understand what evolution is. I'm not saying it's the only answer, but there's overwhelming evidence of evolution that makes it nearly impossible to deny.

I really think you should read up on evolution, as, in all honesty, it doesn't seem like you fully understand what evolution is. I'm not saying it's the only answer, but there's overwhelming evidence of evolution that makes it nearly impossible to deny.

Thanks for that. Just a little more evidence about why I'm Atheist.

"EVOLUTION BOMB - CREDIT GOES TO MAGEGRAYWOLF"

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EB1: The Basics

EB2: Evidence & Observed Examples

- EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms

EB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)

- EB3a: Mutation & Information

- EB3b: Chance & Probability

- EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism

- EB3d: Animals

- EB3e: Hominids

- EB3f: Dinosaurs

- EB3g: Paluxy

EB4: Creationist Credibility

EB5: Further Information

- EB5a: Debates

- EB5b: Transcripts & Publications

- EB5c: Responses

- EB5d: Reviews

EB6: Videos

- EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)

- EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)

- EB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)

- EB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)

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EB1: The Basics

Evolution 101

MODERN THEORIES OF EVOLUTION: Overview

A Brief History of Life

Evolution: Fact and Theory

Natural Selection: How Evolution Works

Mechanisms: the processes of Evolution

Evolution at different scales

THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES

EB2: Evidence & Observed Examples

Evidence for Evolution

Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics

Examples of Evolution.

29+ Cases for Macroevolution

Observed Instances of Speciation

Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home

Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation

EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms

Evolution and the Fossil Record

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ

Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions

Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record

All About Archaeopteryx

The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence

Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution

Fossil Hominids: Lucy

Peking Man and Homo erectus

Evidence and the Cambrian Explosion

An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking

Dinosaur Footprints in Coal

EB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)

Index to Creationist Claims

Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution

Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?

Accuracy of Fossils and Dating Methods

Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics

Entropy, Disorder and Life

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability

Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered

EB3a: Mutation & Information

Are Mutations Harmful?

The Evolution of Improved Fitness

Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information

EB3b: Chance & Probability

Examples of Random Probability

A Series Unlikely Events

Non-Random Probability

Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation

Digit Numbering and Limb Development

EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism

The 1st Falsehood of creationism: "evolution=atheism" (Video)

The 2nd foundational falsehood of creationism: scriptures are the "Word of God" (Video)

The 3rd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: human interpretation=absolute truth (Video)

The 4th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: belief=knowledge (Video)

The 5th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution-ism" (part I) "Evolution=the religion of atheism" (Video)

The 6th falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution-ism" (Part II) "Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe, and everything." (Video)

The 7th foundational falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution is random." (Video)

The 8th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Mutations are rare, harmful decreases in genetic information." (Video)

The 9th falsehood of Creationism: "No transitional species have ever been found." (Video)

The 10th falsehood of creationism: "The evolutionary ‘tree of life’ is nowhere implied either in the fossil record, nor in any aspect of biology." (Video)

The 11th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Macroevolution has never been observed." (Video)

The 12th falsehood of Creationism: "Creation science" (Video)

The 13th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution is a fraud!" (Video)

The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part 1 (Video)

The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part II (Video)

The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part 1 (Video)

The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part II (Video)

EB3d: Animals

Bombadier Beetles and the Argument of Design

Creationism and the Platypus

The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue

Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax

EB3e: Hominids

Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote

Creationist Arguments: Java Man

Creationist Arguments: Peking Man

Creationist Arguments: Neandertals

Creationists and Pithecanthropines

Lucy's Knee Joint

Images of Neandertals

EB3f: Dinosaurs

Dino Blood Redux

Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths

On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery

Sauropods, Elephants, Weightlifters

Sea-Monster or Shark?

EB3g: Paluxy

Dinosaur Valley State Park

Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?

The 'Burdick Print'

Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy

On the Heels of Dinosaurs

A Tale of Two Teeth

The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'

The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy

EB4: Creationist Credibility

Creationist Whoppers

How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims

A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials

Suspicious Creationist Credentials

A Creationist Exposed: Gish

The Creation Research Society's Creed

IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications

EB5: Further Information

A Phylogeny of Complete Genomes: Data Repository

The Tree of Life Web Project

BASIC POPULATION GENETICS

Jury-Rigged Design

Scientific Creationism and Error

Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA

A Visit to the IRC Museum

EB5a: Debates

An Account of a Debate with a Creationist

Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard

EB5b: Transcripts & Publications

An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference

Kansas Evolution Hearings

Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution

EB5c: Responses

A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'

Response to Casey Luskin

A Response to Wayne Jackson

EB5d: Reviews

Review: Bones of Contention

A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151

A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'

Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis

Review: The Image of God

EB6: Videos

6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy

7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy

Ring species -- the abridged version

Lectures on Evolution

How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists

Quest for Truth: Transitional Species

EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)

Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism

Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)

Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)

Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)

How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)

How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)

How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA

How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations

How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection

How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution

How Evolution Works 7: Speciation

EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)

Evidence for Evolution, Part I

Evidence for Evolution, Part II

Evidence for Evolution, Part III

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker

The Evolution of the Flagellum

Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle

How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I

How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II

The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak

What Every Creationist Must DENY

EB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)

Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 1 - Abiogenesis and the origins of DNA)

Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 2 - On Intelligent Design)

Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 3 - Multicellularity, Sex and Fossils)

EB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)

Does The Evidence Support Evolution?

Vitamin C And Common Ancestry

Human Evolution: Are We Descended From Viruses?

Does The Fossil Record Support Evolution?

Evolution: Where Are The Transitional Forms?

Facts Of Evolution: Universal Common Descent

Facts Of Evolution: Good Design, Bad Design

Facts Of Evolution: Speciation And Extinction

Facts Of Evolution: How Fast Is Evolution?

Facts Of Evolution: What Can Embryos Tell Us About Evolution?

Facts Of Evolution: The Molecules Of Life

Molecular Evolution: Genes And Proteins

Facts Of Evolution: Retroviruses And Pseudogenes

Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Arise?

Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Give Rise To New Species?

You don't really seem to be all that familiar with what evolution actually is or how it occurs - maybe you should familiarize yourself with the topic at hand before wading in to this?

Okay I guess I should start with the basic of what evolution is.
Evolution is a change in alle frequency in a species over generation, or more simply put decent with modification.

They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'.

What sort of facts have you heard? Do you consider observed instances of evolution occurring in both nature and the lab a surreal fact?

29+ Cases for Macroevolution
Observed Instances of Speciation
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home
Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug

Has anyone discovered any fish with legs?

We have had and still do have fish with adaptations allowing for travel across the land. They are called mudskippers. However we have an example of a transitional form between fish and amphibians in a fossil species known as Tiktaalik.

Any humans with gills or fins?

Humans and fish are on completely two different branches and are separated by numerous descendants. Finding such a trait would actually hurt the theory rather than support it. What we wold expect from the theory is to have a transition between fish and some other animal (witch we have) that would then transition into another animal (witch we have) then from that into another animal (take a guess what we have) and so on and so forth until we get humans.

If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch?

And a watch doesn't have the same properties as the chemical makeup of life. If it did yes we could expect to find such an occurrence.

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker

Is there but one possibility?

The Great Spaghetti and meat balls in the sky did it? No? Zeus? Odin? Ra and his magic sperm? I would think before you invoke a divine creator you provide evidence for that creator first.

Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins?

Again this is not how evolution works. Though broken down into their base components and allowed to recombine I wouldn't be surprised to find simple single celled organisms.

I do believe that creation occurred. Why? Because even with the Big Bang Theory, the elements that came together would have had to have come from somewhere.
  This isn't to say that I don't think evolution occurs. Its just I don't believe humans evolved.

The Big Bang really has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. One covers the expansion of the universe while the other covers the diversity of life. Also why would humans be the exception to the rule?

For further reading and incitefull video watching like the ones above I direct you to my Evolution Bomb. Please feel free to educate yourself before using more erroneous arguments against the theory.

----Table of Context----
EB1: The Basics
EB2: Evidence & Observed Examples
- EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms
EB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)
- EB3a: Mutation & Information
- EB3b: Chance & Probability
- EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism
- EB3d: Animals
- EB3e: Hominids
- EB3f: Dinosaurs
- EB3g: Paluxy
EB4: Creationist Credibility
EB5: Further Information
- EB5a: Debates
- EB5b: Transcripts & Publications
- EB5c: Responses
- EB5d: Reviews
EB6: Videos
- EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)
- EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)
- EB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)
- EB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)
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EB1: The Basics
Evolution 101
MODERN THEORIES OF EVOLUTION: Overview
A Brief History of Life
Evolution: Fact and Theory
Natural Selection: How Evolution Works
Mechanisms: the processes of Evolution
Evolution at different scales
THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES

EB2: Evidence & Observed Examples
Evidence for Evolution
Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics
Examples of Evolution.
29+ Cases for Macroevolution
Observed Instances of Speciation
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home
Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug
Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation
EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms
Evolution and the Fossil Record
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions
Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record
All About Archaeopteryx
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence
Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution
Fossil Hominids: Lucy
Peking Man and Homo erectus
Evidence and the Cambrian Explosion
An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking
Dinosaur Footprints in Coal

EB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)
Index to Creationist Claims
Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution
Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?
Accuracy of Fossils and Dating Methods
Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics
Entropy, Disorder and Life
The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability
Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered
EB3a: Mutation & Information
Are Mutations Harmful?
The Evolution of Improved Fitness
Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information
EB3b: Chance & Probability
Examples of Random Probability
A Series Unlikely Events
Non-Random Probability
Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation
Digit Numbering and Limb Development
EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism
The 1st Falsehood of creationism: "evolution = atheism" (Video)
The 2nd foundational falsehood of creationism: scriptures are the "Word of God" (Video)
The 3rd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: human interpretation = absolute truth (Video)
The 4th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: belief = knowledge (Video)
The 5th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution-ism" (part I) "Evolution = the religion of atheism" (Video)
The 6th falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution-ism" (Part II) "Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe, and everything." (Video)
The 7th foundational falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution is random." (Video)
The 8th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Mutations are rare, harmful decreases in genetic information." (Video)
The 9th falsehood of Creationism: "No transitional species have ever been found." (Video)
The 10th falsehood of creationism: "The evolutionary ‘tree of life’ is nowhere implied either in the fossil record, nor in any aspect of biology." (Video)
The 11th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Macroevolution has never been observed." (Video)
The 12th falsehood of Creationism: "Creation science" (Video)
The 13th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution is a fraud!" (Video)
The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part 1 (Video)
The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part II (Video)
The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part 1 (Video)
The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part II (Video)
EB3d: Animals
Bombadier Beetles and the Argument of Design
Creationism and the Platypus
The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue
Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax
EB3e: Hominids
Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote
Creationist Arguments: Java Man
Creationist Arguments: Peking Man
Creationist Arguments: Neandertals
Creationists and Pithecanthropines
Lucy's Knee Joint
Images of Neandertals
EB3f: Dinosaurs
Dino Blood Redux
Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths
On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery
Sauropods, Elephants, Weightlifters
Sea-Monster or Shark?
EB3g: Paluxy
Dinosaur Valley State Park
Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?
The 'Burdick Print'
Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy
On the Heels of Dinosaurs
A Tale of Two Teeth
The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'
The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy

EB4: Creationist Credibility
Creationist Whoppers
How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims
A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials
Suspicious Creationist Credentials
A Creationist Exposed: Gish
The Creation Research Society's Creed
IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications

EB5: Further Information
A Phylogeny of Complete Genomes: Data Repository
The Tree of Life Web Project
BASIC POPULATION GENETICS
Jury-Rigged Design
Scientific Creationism and Error
Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA
A Visit to the IRC Museum
EB5a: Debates
An Account of a Debate with a Creationist
Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard
EB5b: Transcripts & Publications
An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference
Kansas Evolution Hearings
Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution
EB5c: Responses
A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'
Response to Casey Luskin
A Response to Wayne Jackson
EB5d: Reviews
Review: Bones of Contention
A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151
A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'
Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis
Review: The Image of God

EB6: Videos
6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy
7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy
Ring species -- the abridged version
Lectures on Evolution
How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists
Quest for Truth: Transitional Species
EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)
Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism
Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)
Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)
Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)
How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)
How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)
How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA
How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations
How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection
How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution
How Evolution Works 7: Speciation
EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)
Evidence for Evolution, Part I
Evidence for Evolution, Part II
Evidence for Evolution, Part III
Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker
The Evolution of the Flagellum
Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II
The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak
What Every Creationist Must DENY
EB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)
Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 1 - Abiogenesis and the origins of DNA)
Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 2 - On Intelligent Design)
Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 3 - Multicellularity, Sex and Fossils)
EB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)
Does The Evidence Support Evolution?
Vitamin C And Common Ancestry
Human Evolution: Are We Descended From Viruses?
Does The Fossil Record Support Evolution?
Evolution: Where Are The Transitional Forms?
Facts Of Evolution: Universal Common Descent
Facts Of Evolution: Good Design, Bad Design
Facts Of Evolution: Speciation And Extinction
Facts Of Evolution: How Fast Is Evolution?
Facts Of Evolution: What Can Embryos Tell Us About Evolution?
Facts Of Evolution: The Molecules Of Life
Molecular Evolution: Genes And Proteins
Facts Of Evolution: Retroviruses And Pseudogenes
Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Arise?
Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Give Rise To New Species?

Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

Well the E-Bomb pretty much covers everything. Not much for anyone else to add on just "what" it is. I just can't believe you managed to use that many fallacies in one post.

Avorne, you ninja'd me... :P Well not sure what else to add at this point so, thread?

Avorne, you ninja'd me... :P Well not sure what else to add at this point so, thread?

Sorry about that, I've been playing a lot of Skyrim lately, my sneaking skills have gone waaaaaay up xD I think I'd call this thread - you addressed everything else and it's pretty much just a case of the person not really knowing about evolution so... Yeah, let's call it a day.