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stormwolf722

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Nomad

Posted December 5, '11 8:13pm UTC

Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

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zakyman

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Peasant

Posted December 5, '11 8:20pm UTC

Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

Where is the evidence of creation? Don't tell me "Well, it's in the Bible/Torah/Koran." That cannot be taken as fact on a scientific basis. There is OVERWHELMING evidence to prove evolution...

The last one is a Christian site BTW

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waluigi

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Shepherd

Posted December 5, '11 8:42pm UTC

I may make myself sound like a fool, but here goes nothing.
I do believe that creation occurred. Why? Because even with the Big Bang Theory, the elements that came together would have had to have come from somewhere.
This isn't to say that I don't think evolution occurs. Its just I don't believe humans evolved.

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gaboloth

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Peasant

Posted December 5, '11 8:54pm UTC

Yeah, maybe you should understand what evolution is and how it works rather that basing your judgements on obscure metaphors that have very few to do with it (the clock one is about abiogenesis).

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KMRaider

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Scribe

Posted December 5, '11 9:14pm UTC

I really think you should read up on evolution, as, in all honesty, it doesn't seem like you fully understand what evolution is. I'm not saying it's the only answer, but there's overwhelming evidence of evolution that makes it nearly impossible to deny.

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stephenking

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Nomad

Posted December 5, '11 9:53pm UTC

I really think you should read up on evolution, as, in all honesty, it doesn't seem like you fully understand what evolution is. I'm not saying it's the only answer, but there's overwhelming evidence of evolution that makes it nearly impossible to deny.

Thanks for that. Just a little more evidence about why I'm Atheist.

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Avorne

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Nomad

Posted December 5, '11 10:09pm UTC

"[b]EVOLUTION BOMB - CREDIT GOES TO MAGEGRAYWOLF[/b]" \r\n\r\n\r\n----Table of Context----\r\n \r\nEB1: The Basics\r\n \r\nEB2: Evidence & Observed Examples\r\n \r\n- EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms\r\n \r\nEB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)\r\n \r\n- EB3a: Mutation & Information\r\n \r\n- EB3b: Chance & Probability\r\n \r\n- EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism\r\n \r\n- EB3d: Animals\r\n \r\n- EB3e: Hominids\r\n \r\n- EB3f: Dinosaurs\r\n \r\n- EB3g: Paluxy\r\n \r\nEB4: Creationist Credibility\r\n \r\nEB5: Further Information\r\n \r\n- EB5a: Debates\r\n \r\n- EB5b: Transcripts & Publications\r\n \r\n- EB5c: Responses\r\n \r\n- EB5d: Reviews\r\n \r\nEB6: Videos\r\n \r\n- EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)\r\n \r\n- EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)\r\n \r\n- EB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)\r\n \r\n- EB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)\r\n \r\n------------------------ \r\n\r\n\r\nEB1: [b]The Basics[/b]\r\n \r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01]Evolution 101[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_1.htm]MODERN THEORIES OF EVOLUTION: Overview[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.dorak.info/evolution/life.html]A Brief History of Life[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html]Evolution: Fact and Theory[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/futuyma.html]Natural Selection: How Evolution Works[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_14]Mechanisms: the processes of Evolution[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evoscales_01]Evolution at different scales[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F401&pageseq=1]THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES[/url] \r\n\r\n\r\nEB2: [b]Evidence & Observed Examples[/b]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html]Evidence for Evolution[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/]Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20]Examples of Evolution.[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/]29+ Cases for Macroevolution[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html]Observed Instances of Speciation[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm]Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/irwin.html]Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation[/url]\r\n \r\nEB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/index.html]Evolution and the Fossil Record[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html]Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton2.html]Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/challenge.html]Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html]All About Archaeopteryx[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/]The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/]Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/lucy.html]Fossil Hominids: Lucy[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/sinanth.html]Peking Man and Homo erectus[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/evidence_and_the_cambrian_explosion.html]Evidence and the Cambrian Explosion[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/ovrdino.html]An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coalprints.html]Dinosaur Footprints in Coal[/url] \r\n\r\n\r\nEB3: [b]The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)[/b]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html]Index to Creationist Claims[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html]Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/review.html]Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html]Accuracy of Fossils and Dating Methods[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/creationism.html]Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/entropy.html]Entropy, Disorder and Life[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html]The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ted-qfa-reply.html]Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered[/url]\r\n \r\nEB3a: Mutation & Information\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mutations.html]Are Mutations Harmful?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/fitness/]The Evolution of Improved Fitness[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/information/spetner.html]Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information[/url]\r\n \r\nEB3b: Chance & Probability\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page02.xhtml]Examples of Random Probability[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page03.xhtml]A Series Unlikely Events[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page04.xhtml]Non-Random Probability[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genalg/genalg.html]Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/bird_and_frog_development.html]Digit Numbering and Limb Development[/url]\r\n \r\nEB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/1stFFoC.html]The 1st Falsehood of creationism: "evolution=atheism"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/2ndFFoC.html]The 2nd foundational falsehood of creationism: scriptures are the "Word of God"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/3rdFFoC.html]The 3rd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: human interpretation=absolute truth[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnj7PlqmJ5o]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/4thFFoC.html]The 4th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: belief=knowledge[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80nhqGfN6t8]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/5thFFoC.html]The 5th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution-ism" (part I) "Evolution=the religion of atheism"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmbnxtnMB4]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/6thFFoC.html]The 6th falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution-ism" (Part II) "Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe, and everything."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3k0dDFxkhM]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/7thFFoC.html]The 7th foundational falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution is random."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Q2Db17v5U]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/8thFFoC.html]The 8th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Mutations are rare, harmful decreases in genetic information."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-7d06HJSs]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/9thFFoC.html]The 9th falsehood of Creationism: "No transitional species have ever been found."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/10thFFoC.html]The 10th falsehood of creationism: "The evolutionary â��tree of lifeâ�� is nowhere implied either in the fossil record, nor in any aspect of biology."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/11thFFoC.html]The 11th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Macroevolution has never been observed."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/12thFFoC.html]The 12th falsehood of Creationism: "Creation science"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkY7HrJOhc]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/13thFFoC.html]The 13th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution is a fraud!"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfifz3C0mI]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/14thFFoC.html]The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part 1[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsnVMjG4lk]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/14thFFoCPt2.html]The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part II[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XHbRGiQccM]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/15thFFoCPt1.html]The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. Itâ��s still just a theory, not a fact." Part 1[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wv6kgjOEL0]Video[/url])\r\n \r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/15thFFoCPt2.html]The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. Itâ��s still just a theory, not a fact." Part II[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmLDKQp_Qc]Video[/url])\r\n \r\nEB3d: Animals\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html]Bombadier Beetles and the Argument of Design[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html]Creationism and the Platypus[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodpecker/woodpecker.html]The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/eohippus_hyrax.html]Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax[/url]\r\n \r\nEB3e: Hominids\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/monkeyquote.html]Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_java.html]Creationist Arguments: Java Man[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_peking.html]Creationist Arguments: Peking Man[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_neands.html]Creationist Arguments: Neandertals[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/brace.html]Creationists and Pithecanthropines[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/knee-joint.html]Lucy's Knee Joint[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/savage.html]Images of Neandertals[/url]\r\n \r\nEB3f: Dinosaurs\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html]Dino Blood Redux[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/osteocalcin.html]Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/forgery.html]On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/sauropods.html]Sauropods, Elephants, Weightlifters[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/plesios.html]Sea-Monster or Shark?[/url]\r\n \r\nEB3g: Paluxy\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/dvsp.html]Dinosaur Valley State Park[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/arizon.html]Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/wilker5.html]The 'Burdick Print'[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/georef.html]Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/onheel.html]On the Heels of Dinosaurs[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tooth.html]A Tale of Two Teeth[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tsite.html]The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html]The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy[/url] \r\n\r\n\r\nEB4: [b]Creationist Credibility[/b]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-whoppers.html]Creationist Whoppers[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html]How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html]A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html]Suspicious Creationist Credentials[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-exposed.html]A Creationist Exposed: Gish[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/crs-creed.html]The Creation Research Society's Creed[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-catalog.html]IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications[/url] \r\n\r\n\r\nEB5: [b]Further Information[/b]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.bork.embl.de/tree_of_life/]A Phylogeny of Complete Genomes: Data Repository[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html]The Tree of Life Web Project[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.dorak.info/genetics/popgen.html]BASIC POPULATION GENETICS[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jury-rigged.html]Jury-Rigged Design[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/cre-error.html]Scientific Creationism and Error[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mungonhm.html]Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-visit/linke.html]A Visit to the IRC Museum[/url]\r\n \r\nEB5a: Debates\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debate-rob-day.html]An Account of a Debate with a Creationist[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/edwards-v-aguillard/amicus1.html]Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard[/url]\r\n \r\nEB5b: Transcripts & Publications\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/creation-conference.html]An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo.html]Kansas Evolution Hearings[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html]Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution[/url]\r\n \r\nEB5c: Responses\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/camp.html]A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/luskin.html]Response to Casey Luskin[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/wjackson.html]A Response to Wayne Jackson[/url]\r\n \r\nEB5d: Reviews\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_lubenow.html]Review: Bones of Contention[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/sor-ipub.html]A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/nbc.html]A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/oconnell_cg.html]Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/imageofgod.html]Review: The Image of God[/url] \r\n\r\n\r\nEB6: [b]Videos[/b]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8]6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4]7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6Z6NVmLt8]Ring species -- the abridged version[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/evolution/lectures.html]Lectures on Evolution[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw]How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbGDJknak9c]Quest for Truth: Transitional Species[/url]\r\n \r\nEB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_2r2n4b5c]Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0]Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvX_mD5weM]Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbI2diGTJFw]Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY]How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtIQvkQWTZY]How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ17JKIBSS4]How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGFvK77Fsz8]How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0tmb3Evhc]How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLtBLucfIrg]How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEGQu3cm3CE]How Evolution Works 7: Speciation[/url]\r\n \r\nEB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX_WH1bq5HQ]Evidence for Evolution, Part I[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_UFImmulY]Evidence for Evolution, Part II[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI]Evidence for Evolution, Part III[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0]Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w]The Evolution of the Flagellum[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUvLR2yyWuE]Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I14KTshLUkg]How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9u50wKDb_4]How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg]The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj587d5ies]What Every Creationist Must DENY[/url]\r\n \r\nEB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ModNCJLZ3E]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 1 - Abiogenesis and the origins of DNA)[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YEthIfeqQ4]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 2 - On Intelligent Design)[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGRmm3KQg18]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 3 - Multicellularity, Sex and Fossils)[/url]\r\n \r\nEB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1R8w_QEvEU]Does The Evidence Support Evolution?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF2N2lbb3dk]Vitamin C And Common Ancestry[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIsWZCSMSSs]Human Evolution: Are We Descended From Viruses?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWVoXZPOCGk]Does The Fossil Record Support Evolution?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfTbrHg8KGQ]Evolution: Where Are The Transitional Forms?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0UGpcea8Zg]Facts Of Evolution: Universal Common Descent[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mtr3***74A]Facts Of Evolution: Good Design, Bad Design[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5kumHLiK4A]Facts Of Evolution: Speciation And Extinction[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XgeSi1EGkU]Facts Of Evolution: How Fast Is Evolution?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAZmLYWEPGk]Facts Of Evolution: What Can Embryos Tell Us About Evolution?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvJFI3ChOUU]Facts Of Evolution: The Molecules Of Life[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7BE3mEb64]Molecular Evolution: Genes And Proteins[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZvTmgCk1Lo]Facts Of Evolution: Retroviruses And Pseudogenes[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mPCqYxB4d4]Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Arise?[/url]\r\n \r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvWnsiQycc]Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Give Rise To New Species?[/url]\r\n \r\n\r\nYou don't really seem to be all that familiar with what evolution actually is or how it occurs - maybe you should familiarize yourself with the topic at hand before wading in to this?

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Okay I guess I should start with the basic of what evolution is.
Evolution is a change in alle frequency in a species over generation, or more simply put decent with modification.

They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'.

What sort of facts have you heard? Do you consider observed instances of evolution occurring in both nature and the lab a surreal fact?

29+ Cases for Macroevolution
Observed Instances of Speciation
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home
Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug

Has anyone discovered any fish with legs?

We have had and still do have fish with adaptations allowing for travel across the land. They are called mudskippers. However we have an example of a transitional form between fish and amphibians in a fossil species known as Tiktaalik.

Any humans with gills or fins?

Humans and fish are on completely two different branches and are separated by numerous descendants. Finding such a trait would actually hurt the theory rather than support it. What we wold expect from the theory is to have a transition between fish and some other animal (witch we have) that would then transition into another animal (witch we have) then from that into another animal (take a guess what we have) and so on and so forth until we get humans.

If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch?

And a watch doesn't have the same properties as the chemical makeup of life. If it did yes we could expect to find such an occurrence.

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker

Is there but one possibility?

The Great Spaghetti and meat balls in the sky did it? No? Zeus? Odin? Ra and his magic sperm? I would think before you invoke a divine creator you provide evidence for that creator first.

Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins?

Again this is not how evolution works. Though broken down into their base components and allowed to recombine I wouldn't be surprised to find simple single celled organisms.

I do believe that creation occurred. Why? Because even with the Big Bang Theory, the elements that came together would have had to have come from somewhere.
This isn't to say that I don't think evolution occurs. Its just I don't believe humans evolved.

Okay I guess I should start with the basic of what evolution is.\r\nEvolution is a change in alle frequency in a species over generation, or more simply put decent with modification.\r\n\r\n[quote]They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWhat sort of facts have you heard? Do you consider observed instances of evolution occurring in both nature and the lab a surreal fact?\r\n\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/]29+ Cases for Macroevolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html]Observed Instances of Speciation[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm]Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm]Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug[/url] \r\n\r\n[quote]Has anyone discovered any fish with legs?[/quote]\r\n\r\nWe have had and still do have fish with adaptations allowing for travel across the land. They are called mudskippers. However we have an example of a transitional form between fish and amphibians in a fossil species known as Tiktaalik.\r\n\r\n[quote]Any humans with gills or fins?[/quote]\r\n\r\nHumans and fish are on completely two different branches and are separated by numerous descendants. Finding such a trait would actually hurt the theory rather than support it. What we wold expect from the theory is to have a transition between fish and some other animal (witch we have) that would then transition into another animal (witch we have) then from that into another animal (take a guess what we have) and so on and so forth until we get humans.\r\n\r\n[quote]If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch?[/quote]\r\n\r\nAnd a watch doesn't have the same properties as the chemical makeup of life. If it did yes we could expect to find such an occurrence.\r\n\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0]Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker[/url]\r\n\r\n[quote]Is there but one possibility?[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe Great Spaghetti and meat balls in the sky did it? No? Zeus? Odin? Ra and his magic sperm? I would think before you invoke a divine creator you provide evidence for that creator first.\r\n\r\n[quote]Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins?[/quote]\r\n\r\nAgain this is not how evolution works. Though broken down into their base components and allowed to recombine I wouldn't be surprised to find simple single celled organisms.\r\n\r\n[quote]I do believe that creation occurred. Why? Because even with the Big Bang Theory, the elements that came together would have had to have come from somewhere.\r\n  This isn't to say that I don't think evolution occurs. Its just I don't believe humans evolved.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe Big Bang really has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. One covers the expansion of the universe while the other covers the diversity of life. Also why would humans be the exception to the rule?\r\n\r\nFor further reading and incitefull video watching like the ones above I direct you to my Evolution Bomb. Please feel free to educate yourself before using more erroneous arguments against the theory.\r\n\r\n----Table of Context----\r\nEB1: The Basics\r\nEB2: Evidence & Observed Examples\r\n- EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms\r\nEB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)\r\n- EB3a: Mutation & Information\r\n- EB3b: Chance & Probability\r\n- EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism\r\n- EB3d: Animals\r\n- EB3e: Hominids\r\n- EB3f: Dinosaurs\r\n- EB3g: Paluxy\r\nEB4: Creationist Credibility\r\nEB5: Further Information\r\n- EB5a: Debates\r\n- EB5b: Transcripts & Publications\r\n- EB5c: Responses\r\n- EB5d: Reviews\r\nEB6: Videos\r\n- EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)\r\n- EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)\r\n- EB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)\r\n- EB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)\r\n------------------------\r\n\r\nEB1: [b]The Basics[/b]\r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01]Evolution 101[/url]\r\n[url=http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_1.htm]MODERN THEORIES OF EVOLUTION: Overview[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.dorak.info/evolution/life.html]A Brief History of Life[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html]Evolution: Fact and Theory[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/futuyma.html]Natural Selection: How Evolution Works[/url]\r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_14]Mechanisms: the processes of Evolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evoscales_01]Evolution at different scales[/url]\r\n[url=http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F401&pageseq=1]THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES[/url]\r\n\r\nEB2: [b]Evidence & Observed Examples[/b]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html]Evidence for Evolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/]Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics[/url]\r\n[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20]Examples of Evolution.[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/]29+ Cases for Macroevolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html]Observed Instances of Speciation[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm]Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm]Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/irwin.html]Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation[/url]\r\nEB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms\r\n[url=http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/index.html]Evolution and the Fossil Record[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html]Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton2.html]Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/challenge.html]Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html]All About Archaeopteryx[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/]The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/]Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/lucy.html]Fossil Hominids: Lucy[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/sinanth.html]Peking Man and Homo erectus[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/evidence_and_the_cambrian_explosion.html]Evidence and the Cambrian Explosion[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/ovrdino.html]An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coalprints.html]Dinosaur Footprints in Coal[/url]\r\n\r\nEB3: [b]The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)[/b]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html]Index to Creationist Claims[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html]Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/review.html]Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html]Accuracy of Fossils and Dating Methods[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/creationism.html]Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/entropy.html]Entropy, Disorder and Life[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html]The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ted-qfa-reply.html]Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered[/url]\r\nEB3a: Mutation & Information\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mutations.html]Are Mutations Harmful?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/fitness/]The Evolution of Improved Fitness[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/information/spetner.html]Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information[/url]\r\nEB3b: Chance & Probability\r\n[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page02.xhtml]Examples of Random Probability[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page03.xhtml]A Series Unlikely Events[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page04.xhtml]Non-Random Probability[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genalg/genalg.html]Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/bird_and_frog_development.html]Digit Numbering and Limb Development[/url]\r\nEB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/1stFFoC.html]The 1st Falsehood of creationism: "evolution = atheism"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/2ndFFoC.html]The 2nd foundational falsehood of creationism: scriptures are the "Word of God"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/3rdFFoC.html]The 3rd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: human interpretation = absolute truth[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnj7PlqmJ5o]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/4thFFoC.html]The 4th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: belief = knowledge[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80nhqGfN6t8]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/5thFFoC.html]The 5th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution-ism" (part I) "Evolution = the religion of atheism"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmbnxtnMB4]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/6thFFoC.html]The 6th falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution-ism" (Part II) "Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe, and everything."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3k0dDFxkhM]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/7thFFoC.html]The 7th foundational falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution is random."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Q2Db17v5U]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/8thFFoC.html]The 8th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Mutations are rare, harmful decreases in genetic information."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-7d06HJSs]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/9thFFoC.html]The 9th falsehood of Creationism: "No transitional species have ever been found."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/10thFFoC.html]The 10th falsehood of creationism: "The evolutionary â��tree of lifeâ�� is nowhere implied either in the fossil record, nor in any aspect of biology."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/11thFFoC.html]The 11th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Macroevolution has never been observed."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/12thFFoC.html]The 12th falsehood of Creationism: "Creation science"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkY7HrJOhc]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/13thFFoC.html]The 13th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution is a fraud!"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfifz3C0mI]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/14thFFoC.html]The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part 1[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsnVMjG4lk]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/14thFFoCPt2.html]The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part II[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XHbRGiQccM]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/15thFFoCPt1.html]The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. Itâ��s still just a theory, not a fact." Part 1[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wv6kgjOEL0]Video[/url])\r\n[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/15thFFoCPt2.html]The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. Itâ��s still just a theory, not a fact." Part II[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmLDKQp_Qc]Video[/url])\r\nEB3d: Animals\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html]Bombadier Beetles and the Argument of Design[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html]Creationism and the Platypus[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodpecker/woodpecker.html]The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/eohippus_hyrax.html]Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax[/url]\r\nEB3e: Hominids\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/monkeyquote.html]Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_java.html]Creationist Arguments: Java Man[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_peking.html]Creationist Arguments: Peking Man[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_neands.html]Creationist Arguments: Neandertals[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/brace.html]Creationists and Pithecanthropines[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/knee-joint.html]Lucy's Knee Joint[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/savage.html]Images of Neandertals[/url]\r\nEB3f: Dinosaurs\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html]Dino Blood Redux[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/osteocalcin.html]Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/forgery.html]On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/sauropods.html]Sauropods, Elephants, Weightlifters[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/plesios.html]Sea-Monster or Shark?[/url]\r\nEB3g: Paluxy\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/dvsp.html]Dinosaur Valley State Park[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/arizon.html]Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/wilker5.html]The 'Burdick Print'[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/georef.html]Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/onheel.html]On the Heels of Dinosaurs[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tooth.html]A Tale of Two Teeth[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tsite.html]The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html]The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy[/url]\r\n\r\nEB4: [b]Creationist Credibility[/b]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-whoppers.html]Creationist Whoppers[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html]How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html]A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html]Suspicious Creationist Credentials[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-exposed.html]A Creationist Exposed: Gish[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/crs-creed.html]The Creation Research Society's Creed[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-catalog.html]IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications[/url]\r\n\r\nEB5: [b]Further Information[/b]\r\n[url=http://www.bork.embl.de/tree_of_life/]A Phylogeny of Complete Genomes: Data Repository[/url]\r\n[url=http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html]The Tree of Life Web Project[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.dorak.info/genetics/popgen.html]BASIC POPULATION GENETICS[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jury-rigged.html]Jury-Rigged Design[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/cre-error.html]Scientific Creationism and Error[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mungonhm.html]Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-visit/linke.html]A Visit to the IRC Museum[/url]\r\nEB5a: Debates\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debate-rob-day.html]An Account of a Debate with a Creationist[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/edwards-v-aguillard/amicus1.html]Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard[/url]\r\nEB5b: Transcripts & Publications\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/creation-conference.html]An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo.html]Kansas Evolution Hearings[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html]Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution[/url]\r\nEB5c: Responses\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/camp.html]A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/luskin.html]Response to Casey Luskin[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/wjackson.html]A Response to Wayne Jackson[/url]\r\nEB5d: Reviews\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_lubenow.html]Review: Bones of Contention[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/sor-ipub.html]A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/nbc.html]A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/oconnell_cg.html]Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/imageofgod.html]Review: The Image of God[/url]\r\n\r\nEB6: [b]Videos[/b]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8]6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4]7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6Z6NVmLt8]Ring species -- the abridged version[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/evolution/lectures.html]Lectures on Evolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw]How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbGDJknak9c]Quest for Truth: Transitional Species[/url]\r\nEB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_2r2n4b5c]Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0]Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvX_mD5weM]Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbI2diGTJFw]Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY]How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtIQvkQWTZY]How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ17JKIBSS4]How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGFvK77Fsz8]How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0tmb3Evhc]How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLtBLucfIrg]How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEGQu3cm3CE]How Evolution Works 7: Speciation[/url]\r\nEB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX_WH1bq5HQ]Evidence for Evolution, Part I[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_UFImmulY]Evidence for Evolution, Part II[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI]Evidence for Evolution, Part III[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0]Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w]The Evolution of the Flagellum[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUvLR2yyWuE]Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I14KTshLUkg]How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9u50wKDb_4]How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg]The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj587d5ies]What Every Creationist Must DENY[/url]\r\nEB6c: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ModNCJLZ3E]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 1 - Abiogenesis and the origins of DNA)[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YEthIfeqQ4]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 2 - On Intelligent Design)[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGRmm3KQg18]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 3 - Multicellularity, Sex and Fossils)[/url]\r\nEB6d: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1R8w_QEvEU]Does The Evidence Support Evolution?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF2N2lbb3dk]Vitamin C And Common Ancestry[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIsWZCSMSSs]Human Evolution: Are We Descended From Viruses?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWVoXZPOCGk]Does The Fossil Record Support Evolution?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfTbrHg8KGQ]Evolution: Where Are The Transitional Forms?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0UGpcea8Zg]Facts Of Evolution: Universal Common Descent[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mtr3***74A]Facts Of Evolution: Good Design, Bad Design[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5kumHLiK4A]Facts Of Evolution: Speciation And Extinction[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XgeSi1EGkU]Facts Of Evolution: How Fast Is Evolution?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAZmLYWEPGk]Facts Of Evolution: What Can Embryos Tell Us About Evolution?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvJFI3ChOUU]Facts Of Evolution: The Molecules Of Life[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7BE3mEb64]Molecular Evolution: Genes And Proteins[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZvTmgCk1Lo]Facts Of Evolution: Retroviruses And Pseudogenes[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mPCqYxB4d4]Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Arise?[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvWnsiQycc]Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Give Rise To New Species?[/url]

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Kasic

5,556 posts

Jester

Posted December 5, '11 10:20pm UTC

Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

Well the E-Bomb pretty much covers everything. Not much for anyone else to add on just "what" it is. I just can't believe you managed to use that many fallacies in one post.

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MageGrayWolf

9,470 posts

Farmer

Posted December 5, '11 10:24pm UTC

Avorne, you ninja'd me... :P Well not sure what else to add at this point so, thread?

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Avorne

3,087 posts

Nomad

Posted December 5, '11 10:31pm UTC

Avorne, you ninja'd me... :P Well not sure what else to add at this point so, thread?

Sorry about that, I've been playing a lot of Skyrim lately, my sneaking skills have gone waaaaaay up xD I think I'd call this thread - you addressed everything else and it's pretty much just a case of the person not really knowing about evolution so... Yeah, let's call it a day.

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gaboloth

1,613 posts

Peasant

Posted December 5, '11 10:32pm UTC

Wow, two E-bombs in a single thread. I am impressed.

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Kalb789

639 posts

Baron

Posted December 6, '11 3:11am UTC

yeah you just got pwned buddy...i would explain it (i did a LENGTHY report on it last year) but I think they used every source on the entire internet...

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MageGrayWolf

9,470 posts

Farmer

Posted December 6, '11 3:54am UTC

but I think they used every source on the entire internet...

There are still more sources that can be added to the list. Eventually they may be added.

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MageGrayWolf

9,470 posts

Farmer

Posted December 6, '11 5:48pm UTC

With this comparably short summary, I think we're done now. How about discussion about thoughts and ideas? Just thought that I'd throw that suggestion out there and see what you people think...

You mean a discussion about evolution that doesn't involve beating facts over a creationists head? I... I don't think I've ever had one on here....

How about one going back a few years. The complete genetic mapping of platypus DNA shows that genetically it resembles a reptile, bird and mammal, just as it looks.
http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=111521&govDel=USNSF_51

This is possible because of the point at witch is branches off from reptiles to make it's way to becoming a mammal. The branch off from Sauropsida ("lizard face" the group containing reptiles and birds/dinosaurs) 315 million years ago and remained relatively unchanged. As a result the maintained features found in sauropids while developing features found in mammals. In a way I guess that makes them living fossils.

[quote]With this comparably short summary, I think we're done now. How about discussion about thoughts and ideas? Just thought that I'd throw that suggestion out there and see what you people think...[/quote]\r\n\r\nYou mean a discussion about evolution that doesn't involve beating facts over a creationists head? I... I don't think I've ever had one on here....\r\n\r\nHow about one going back a few years. The complete genetic mapping of platypus DNA shows that genetically it resembles a reptile, bird and mammal, just as it looks.\r\n[url=http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=111521&govDel=USNSF_51]http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=111521&govDel=USNSF_51[/url]\r\n\r\nThis is possible because of the point at witch is branches off from reptiles to make it's way to becoming a mammal. The branch off from Sauropsida ("lizard face" the group containing reptiles and birds/dinosaurs) 315 million years ago and remained relatively unchanged. As a result the maintained features found in sauropids while developing features found in mammals. In a way I guess that makes them living fossils.

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HahiHa

8,259 posts

Regent

Posted December 6, '11 7:23pm UTC

In a way I guess that makes them living fossils.

I guess not, since the term 'living fossil' is scientifically inaccurate. I know what you mean, but fossils are organisms that lived long enough ago to be fossilized; which means that, even in the case of the coelacanth who didn't change so much compared to it's ancestors, we cannot speak of living fossil since it's not the same organism, just it's descendant.

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