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[necro]What's the big deal about smoking?

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Posted Jan 22, '12 at 5:55am

nichodemus

nichodemus

10,491 posts

idk. the person could just wait until he is alone. or if he really "needs" one he can just excuse himself for a moment and go smoke one. its really not that difficult. even someone who is addicted can do that.

personally, i found it really rude when my friend just started smoking near me, knowing i dont like it AND knowing that i have asthma. it made me feel as if he doesnt respect me and that the cigarete is more important to him then my convenience.

That act does not prove a correlation between smoking and manners directly.

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 5:10pm

44Flames

44Flames

594 posts

It is because so much people have died from smoking. So the board of health wants to stop people from hurting themselves from smoking.

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 5:45pm

partydevil

partydevil

4,347 posts

It is because so much people have died from smoking. So the board of health wants to stop people from hurting themselves from smoking.

pssssssssst, lots of people die from drinking alcohol you know ;)
let's make alcohol illegal, that worked great last time aswell ;)

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 6:27pm

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

1,246 posts

pssssssssst, lots of people die from drinking alcohol you know ;)
let's make alcohol illegal, that worked great last time aswell ;)

instead of banning, we could just put heavier restrictions on it. that way smokers won't feel lonely (satirical comment).

-Blade

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 9:47pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,097 posts

are u seriuosly gna carry that with you, be strategic man

Then what other positive benefits does smoking offer other than as a relaxant or stress reliever?

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 10:42pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

10,491 posts

instead of banning, we could just put heavier restrictions on it. that way smokers won't feel lonely (satirical comment).

-Blade

Doesn't work that way. Prepare for some economics.

The demand for cigarettes is extremely price inelastic, which means that even if prices go up high, people will still buy them.

Look at the supply and demand curve on the left:

http://tutor2u.net/economics/revision-notes/as-marketfailure-indirect-taxation_clip_image001.gif

Even when you increase the price from P1 to P2, the quantity demanded, i.e the number of cigarettes demanded, shifts only a little. Taxation doesn't work by itself and might force smokers who can't afford it to turn to the black market.

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 11:10pm

zakyman

zakyman

1,588 posts

I enjoy the trend of prices on cigarettes right now. Nicho, I think that you overestimate a buyer's will to purchase goods they think are essential. Just wait until it hits $10 a pack...

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 11:19pm

dair5

dair5

2,421 posts

Last time I checked cigarettes were more then $10 (including tax). I'm sure that was what an advertisement said.

Question, why do people start smoking?

 

Posted Jan 22, '12 at 11:23pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

10,491 posts

I enjoy the trend of prices on cigarettes right now. Nicho, I think that you overestimate a buyer's will to purchase goods they think are essential. Just wait until it hits $10 a pack...

There's a point in time when it's not ''essential'' but an addiction that has side effects.

And I disagree with you.

Landmark research suggests that so-called ''sin taxes'' do not encourage people to give up.

Academics found the number of smokers in Eastern Europe did not fall when 10 states joined the EU in 2004 â€" even though the price of cigarettes soared by as much as 100 per cent ahead of wages when they became subject to Brussels rules on minimum tax levels.

On average, the affordability of cigarettes, measured by minutes of work needed to buy a pack of 20, fell by 40 per cent. But there was no fall in smoking prevalance â€" and in several countries, the number of smokers actually rose, to the bafflement of researchers.

 

Posted Jan 23, '12 at 1:07am

Sonatavarius

Sonatavarius

1,218 posts

I know this is a tad off topic, but I'm not sure sin taxes exist in reality. I'm pretty sure some smart business people who are privy to the price inelasticities of such actions just found a way to harness this enelasticity for more money.

Now, as I've said on previous smoking threads... I don't care that people smoke; I just care when they don't care about other people.  Prior to my college going smoke free campus wide every entrance to every building required that any and every person who wanted to enter risk walking through a haze of smoke.  I couldn't leave my dorm room window open because the smokers were always outside polluting the what would be incoming air.  AND instead of using ash trays or trash cans that are by every door on campus the cigarette butts ended up covering the ground. You'd think the flower beds had been mulched with cigarettes and someone had haphazardly strewn wood chips all over the place.   

There's that and then there's the little problem with the smoker's self inflicted maladies.  I don't really care about the smoker's health in the way some people might assume. Unless you're too young to understand tv commercials or to read than you are well aware of the cautions and risks.  You getting sick and hospitalized drains money, materials, and man hours that could've been spent on people that had no control over their contraction of a malady.  "but that's their job," you'll say.  Well, let's insert your job into this picture and have you called into work away from your family or whatever activity you'd be doing when you're off duty ... And make you spend large amounts of time and energy trying to fix someone else's catastrophic mistakes/decisions that were more than easily avoidable.

Sure, a person who has never smoked can contract cancer, emphysema, and other such smoke induced health problems, but the stats and experiments show that such actions have a much higher chance of causing health problems. I use trypsin (the causative agent of emphysema) in the lab all the time.  I know first hand how it breaks down adhesion proteins.  Just because you trip and roll down a hundred flights of stairs each day and have yet to get injured doesn't mean that doing so doesn't ever cause injury directly to you or second hand injury to those people who just happen to be using the same stairs as you at the time. 

If you're going to so freely inconvenience everyone else with your habit with a "why should I care about their problems that are a direct result of my actions" attitude... Then why should we care about you when you find out that years of polluting everyone else's breathing air has resulted in you needing medical attention and/or constant help (people with emphysema can have a terrible time going even short distances.  Normally, breathing takes up like 3-5% of of your total body energy spent...  A lung pathology like emphysema can turn that into upwards of >30% of the energy spent in the body focused towards just gasping for air.  I could scrounge through my  Guyton med Phys text for a proper citation.... But if you'll ignore google stats and info then you'll ignore what Doctors learn from too.

Not everyone gets these problems or at that severe a degree... But it does hurt you... And it does hurt the people around you.  If you want to live your life to the fullest and that involves sucking ash, then fine. I'm all for enjoying life Just do it where unconsenting people don't have to breathe your nasty crap.