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Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:38pm

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So, a mass murderer who accepts Jesus into his heart goes to Heaven, but not me, who hasn't done anything wrong (okay, maybe a few things) accept not accept Jesus into my heart? Cruel, much?

Yes, but that if he is truly sorry for killing people in his heart and if he accepts Jesus into his heart. But if you have never heard of Jesus before and at the gates of Heaven God tells you to put away your sin, selfishness and pride and you choose to do so then God will let you in.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:42pm

stephenking

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I've heard of Jesus. I just don't think that Christianity is right. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with you being a Christian, I'm fine with you being (insert religion here).

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:44pm

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But if you have never heard of Jesus before and at the gates of Heaven God tells you to put away your sin, selfishness and pride and you choose to do so then God will let you in.

Then why are people telling us about God? It seems to me the reward is the same for both ignorance of God and a believer in him. :S

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:45pm

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This is why God would send billion of people to Hell:

Atheists often claim that Christianity could not be true because a loving God would not send billions of people to hell. Although this seems logically valid at first glance, it makes some assumptions that are not true for the God of the Bible. Many atheists claim that those who have never heard of Jesus Christ should not be forced to go to hell.

The first false assumption is that love allows the object of that love to do whatever he or she wants. However, this permissive kind of "love" isn't really love at all. Any of you who are parents will recognize that allowing your children to do whatever they want to do is not loving at all. If you were to do this, your children would grow up to be spoiled selfish brats, incapable of loving other people. Permissive gods, who are caught up in their own intrigues, and so allow humans to do whatever they want without repercussions, are found in the pagan religions. However, the God of the Bible wants us to love Him and other people above everything else we do.

The Creator God of the universe is obviously a God of order. The laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that we can calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousands to millions of years into the future. Would a God of this kind of precision design moral laws that are random or changing? It doesn't seem likely or consistent with the character of the Creator that we know from the reality of the creation. Therefore, it seems likely that unchanging moral laws are consistent with the God of creation. The Bible says that the moral laws are consistent with the character of God. Therefore, the main purpose of the moral laws are to teach us what God requires for us to enter into His kingdom. The moral laws also allow us to live with each other on earth without hurting each other. In fact, if we all perfectly fulfilled the moral laws of God, we would be in perfect harmony with each other. Our failure to fulfill God's moral laws leads us to seek Him as the source of our salvation.

Since God created spiritual beings for the purpose of expressing love, those beings must have complete free will in order to express that love. Of course, free will allows for the possibility of those beings rejecting God and His plans. Unfortunately, most people do not agree that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them. In fact, the vast majority of people want to run their own lives without submitting to God at all. Somehow, they feel that God will just let them into heaven because they have behaved about as good, and maybe even better, compared to the rest of the people on earth. The problem with this idea is that God does not grade on the curve. All who enter God's kingdom must be absolutely holy, since no sin is allowed in God's presence. In addition, people must be willing to allow God to prevent them from sinning ever again, since there is no sin in heaven. This means that people must be willing to submit fully to God's will in order to get into heaven. Of course, all humans fall short of God's moral requirements. Therefore, God has made a provision to erase all sins that we have committed in this life and to perfect us so that we cannot sin in the next life. That provision for sin is through the sacrifice of God's son, Jesus Christ. Jesus took the punishment that we deserve and gives us the reward that we do not deserve -eternal life. In accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, all our sins are erased, and Jesus works to change us into His image (if we allow Him to do so).

So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow them all into heaven? It would actually be more cruel if God were to do this, since many people prefer hell to the alternative (complete submission to God). All the people who end up going to hell will have done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy.

At this time in history, there is more evidence demonstrating the existence of God than at any time in the past. In addition, there are missionaries throughout the world proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ and the salvation that He offers as a free gift. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness, and pride. Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven, those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.

I have learned alot more of my faith so that is more of what I have learned.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:46pm

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Then why are people telling us about God? It seems to me the reward is the same for both ignorance of God and a believer in him. :S

It helps to be a beleiver in him it would make getting to Heaven a whole lot easier. :)

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:48pm

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What do you think of Heaven and Hell?

(For Freakenstein and everyone else.)

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:48pm

Freakenstein

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Please post where you obtained this article. Articles without citations are grounds for plagiarism.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:51pm

Freakenstein

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It helps to be a beleiver in him it would make getting to Heaven a whole lot easier

It baffles me though. You have just died, therefore you no longer have a connection to the world from which you passed from. To what links must you keep dear to you even while ethereal? If you have committed atrocities but have never heard of the lord Jesus, you will be brought before God in the gates of Heaven and be asked to leave behind your sinful thoughts, correct? It would be fruitless to keep said thoughts, because not keeping them would in turn grant you entrance to Utopia. Would this be troubling for most people?

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:52pm

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This is where I got it.

Also one last thing before I go I am not a heavily strong beleiver in the Christain faith but do agree with it. I am open to different religions don't get the wrong picture from me please.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 7:59pm

stephenking

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heavily strong beleiver

From seeing your other post, I'm pretty sure that I'm confused now.

 
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