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Posted Mar 8, '12 at 10:39am

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,004 posts

Knight

Ugandan military which has proven itself useless for thirty years?

Taken thirty years to drive out the LRA, yet still cannot contain it fully.*

 

Posted Mar 8, '12 at 1:20pm

R3LOAD

R3LOAD

433 posts

Isn't it called infamous?

Yeah, but the video is about 'making him famous', but not making him famous, more bringing justice.

 

Posted Mar 8, '12 at 3:08pm

JohnGarell

JohnGarell

953 posts

Right. So what if more people do?

That's the whole point. What you lived 1941 and you had never heard of Hitler?

Also, that thing on 30 April will make sense.

 

Posted Mar 8, '12 at 5:01pm

Maverick4

Maverick4

3,707 posts

I'm rather amused by the fact that, a month ago, almost all the people I know who are  all Kony Twenty Twelvers didn't even know about the LRA.

Besides, in six months, everyone will have forgotten about him. Thats just the way the world works.

 

Posted Mar 8, '12 at 7:18pm

soccerdude2

soccerdude2

1,587 posts

That's the whole point. What you lived 1941 and you had never heard of Hitler?

Then it seriously would do nothing to impact my life. It's not like anyone's life is ' greatly changed' by seeing a 30-minute video. All that has changed in lives is that people want to help, which is what IC wanted to happen, seeing as they will get rich off of this whole scheme. Fun fact: Invisible Children spent more money making the Kony 2012 video than they put into Africa. Raising awareness will do almost nothing to actually bring Kony to justice, and money does not help much either. People also might call in to congress to tell them to send more troops to catch Kony, but really the U.S. has already done a lot to get Kony in these past few years.

I can't believe how many people I saw said, "Kony is evil! We need to raise awareness! Or "Now I'm afraid that I'll be kidnapped in the middle of the night!" Or maybe the worst of all, "I bought the kit to support the cause!"

 

Posted Mar 8, '12 at 7:30pm

42maelstrom

42maelstrom

116 posts

Also, there's probably thousands of these private "armies" all over the world. Sure, this may be one of the few with children being the main "soldiers", but it will make no significant difference in the world if we stop this 1 "army".

not that I'm for Kony or anything, in fact my view on the situation is pretty much summed up by nichodemus, but, in response to this I have this

Once upon a time there was a wise man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work. One day he was walking along the shore. As he looked down the beach, he saw a human figure moving like a dancer. He smiled to himself to think of someone who would dance to the day. So he began to walk faster to catch up. As he got closer, he saw that it was a young man and the young man wasn't dancing, but instead he was reaching down to the shore, picking up something and very gently throwing it into the ocean. As he got closer he called out,
"Good morning! What are you doing?"
The young man paused, looked up and replied, "Throwing starfish in the ocean."
"I guess I should have asked, why are you throwing starfish in the ocean?"
"The sun is up and the tide is going out. And if I don't throw them in they'll die."
"But, young man, don't you realize that there are miles and miles of beach and starfish all along it. You can't possibly make a difference!"
The young man listened politely. Then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the sea, past the breaking waves and said-
"It made a difference for that one."

And... yeah.

 

Posted Mar 8, '12 at 8:24pm

aknerd

aknerd

1,276 posts

Never used that argument. Don't know where you think I did.

Sorry, I think I was going off of the whole "mountains into molehills" thing. I thought it was implied that molehills aren't worth troubling over, But I guess I was wrong. It IS a frequent argument against the Kony video, as seen in this quote from this thread:

Also, there's probably thousands of these private "armies" all over the world. Sure, this may be one of the few with children being the main "soldiers", but it will make no significant difference in the world if we stop this 1 "army".

Not everyone actually is smart enough to. Seeing days of joyful hashtags doing nothing is quite enough.

In my experience the number of people critisizing the campaign has greatly surpassed those surporting it.

Actually it doesn't. Whichever friend you got that quote from, is merely now being aware of it, and being an armchair critic. Is that exerting pressure? No.

How is exerting pressure on the government, and encouring others to exert pressure on the government, not exerting pressure? Why do you think this is the first time he has heard about this? Believe it or not, not all Americans are as ignorant as you think they might be. Even if this IS his first introduction to the topic, he has pretty much come to the exact conclusions about it that you have. If he's an armchair critic, then what are you?

It isn't. But it isn't the ''good'' thing that people make it out to be, because raising awareness amongst the majority of people does jack squat when the military and relevant authorities are already doing what they can about it all.

Are they? I agree, if the U.S. IS already doing everything it should be doing, then yes, there is really no reason why multitudes of American citizens should be making a fuss about it. But... if that isn't the case, if the government is aware that its citizens really care about this, they might allocate more resources towards his capture/ restoration of affected regions. I mean, this is the type of concrete that that looks really great for a politician, especially in election season.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the actual video. Its pretty horrible. But I don't think the outcomes from the video have been entirely horrible. People are becoming more educated about global issues. People are talking about how much public opinion matters, how people can and cannot influence these kinds of events. Will this capture Kony? probably not. But at least its making us Americans a little more aware of how we fit in with the world, which is desperately needed.

Here is a nice little article that made its way into my newsfeed a few times that I thought was nice:
Criticisms

Also, a KONY2012 drinking game for those of age (its not inappropriate or anything, don't worry)

 

Posted Mar 8, '12 at 11:01pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,004 posts

Knight

It's not exerting pressure because all he did is issue an opinion. Posting something on FB isn't exerting pressure.

I'm an armchair critic as well! Isn't that obvious? and so what if I am? Doesn't do anything about him not being one.

I didn't say awarness was good or bad, it's just a thing. I do think hat what he IC is doing is going to be ineffective apart from awareness; but the hype that people I hear from and see, I feel is over inflated selfindulging conscience cuddling.

 

Posted Mar 9, '12 at 1:51am

Evilfishy111

Evilfishy111

142 posts

My humanities class were watching the video and we were discussing a few things about him. One thing for sure is that hes a terrible man indeed, but what I dont get is how he wasnt famous for doing those things from the past 10 years. I mean, if somebody commits a crime, shouldnt it be seen to straight away? Or has people been hiding it from us since then?

 

Posted Mar 9, '12 at 1:59am

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

1,343 posts

sorry to say this, but nothing in that video really stirred any of my emotions. does that make me a bad person? I sure hope not.

in reality, it didn't stir my emotions because of the fact that I recognize rhetoric when I see it, especially rhetoric TAILOR MADE to stir your emotions (pathos rhetoric is its proper name).

yeah sure, if I was a little less intelligent, I would've eaten it up like a starving animal, but the fact is, I saw so much pathos in there that I wanted to cry that people were actually eating this up. I saw the real reason why the video was posted, and it was to get money, simple as that.

call me a cynic, but I'm rather confident that kony is only in the back of his mind, while gaining money (not funding, money.) is his #1 priority. it was especially obvious in the middle when he suddenly became a salesperson selling the action kit for an ignorant teenager, with no real understanding of money's value, to buy it like the world would end if he didn't.

like nicho said, we will probably forget about this in a few months, but I won't forget how foolish the people who bought these things will look when they realize that they were jipped.

-Blade

 
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