Forums → WEPR → Is Obama a good president?

In a short answer Obama is a bad president.

I agree

He just approved drilling in Alaska.

No. You know how much he relies on foreign countries and paying a lot for foreign oil when there's plenty in places like Alaska.

He can't really do much considering the fact that congress has too many ******* republicans who shoot down Obama's ideas and plans immediately.

Everything he seems to do is behind closed doors and I don't think he presents ideas to congress anymore. He doesn't even like the constitution.

Please do not step into the gene pool. Oil is a global commodity that is hardly affected by the price of US oil in the short run given that most of the oil is produced elsewhere.

It still effects us. Like I said, there's plenty here. Just stop listening to environmental ******** and start drilling!

It's obvious that Obama wants to turn America into a communist country (progressive liberal). I think he is the worst president in our country's history.

yes he sure did. like when other countries offered to help with the oil crisis and he was like, "naww bro, im the president! yes we can". yeah that ended well. and the whole distribution of wealth thang he got going on is very nice. its so... so soviet union/chinese of him. a little communist hmmm?

Please do not get your knickers in a twist, and muddle up your already horrible political knowledge.

Solving the rich/poor gap is not a Pinko-Marxist-Liberal-Trotskyite-Communist-Red conspiracy. It has always been the aim for most governments to solve the gap, Obama might be veering a little more towards European style social democratic policies, but that doesn't make him ''Soviet'' or ''Chinese''.

Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

None of Obama's policies reflect the characteristics of a Communist ideology. The Reps themselves accuse Obama of Big Government policies, which is anathema to the whole Communist ideology which wants to tear down a government. Just because he favours the poor more, doesn't make him a Communist.

On the other hand, if I want to be as narrow minded as you, and twist political ideology, here's one! The Reps want to keep decreasing the size of the government don't they?


Wait for it.......


Communists!

Sarcasm always makes my day.

*facepalm* its not the peoples fault that they changed their mind half way through obama`s presidancy is it? oh wait, it is.

Whilst it is their right to choose whoever they want, it also is one of the reasons why the government is powerless many times.

see, people like you tend to annoy me. you seem to be all high and mighty and are over their bad mouthing us conservatives. why? because you dont agree. well tell me this then, what dont you agree with? you dont agree that we are in massive debt and that to fix it we need to stop spending money? oh no, you prefer to blame bush. yeah ok, keep that up.
so i say no, he was not a "good" president not really.

Isn't it the same for you conservatives? Using underhand tactics to smear us too? So instead of talking mudslinging, let's look at the facts first.


Who got us 3 trillion more in debt? And sparked off more terrorists backlash that probably increased your defence budget and caused the debt to spiral out more?

Republicans and their war on Iraq! Of course we're going to blame Bush. He created a decade long mess that has caused trillions. I don't see why we can't blame him and the GOP. Don't shift the obvious blame on your shoulders.

Oh and Obama is defiantly forbidding oil drill in the US, because he wants to make to make "Clean energy" Whatever his interpretation is. Take windmills for example, most of them are not better environmentally as they seem, not to mention UBER EXPENSIVE! not just to buy but to maintain. It is insain. oh and they are shut down a lot because the wind's are at too high speeds for them to take. Don't get me wrong windmills are an awsome idea, just not ready to take over market yet, it still needs a lot of fixing.

All energy policies have started out as being ''too expensive''. Common weak excuse. If more money and time is pumped into research, the price naturally goes down. Or are we going to stick to the moronic plan of Republicans, which is to continue to use up all the natural supplies we have, then wake up, and realise that we're in trouble once everything runs out?

Furthermore, wind turbines are viable.

Furthermore, yes concerns about the wind's speed. It's not an imposing problem. Wind turbines built today protect themselves from overspeed conditions through a process called ''furling.'' When a wind turbine furls, it turns the blades out of the direction of the wind to slow or stop the rotation of the rotor. Most small wind turbines furl either by turning the rotor to the side or by tilting the rotor up and back.

Last point, I don't know if you already do know or not, but most probably not due to your vicious, rabid, but incredibly misinformed political news, but Obama HAS approved oil drilling in Alaska.

No. You know how much he relies on foreign countries and paying a lot for foreign oil when there's plenty in places like Alaska.

Please do not act like a heinous halitosis-infested abomination to all the senses. Oil drilling takes years, it's not a process where you can ge oil the next day as and when you want it. Furthermore, Obama HAS approved drilling.

Also, Obama wanting to develop clean energy is a sign that he wants to relieve America off other countries. I don't see many conservatives realising that simple fact.

It still effects us. Like I said, there's plenty here. Just stop listening to environmental ******** and start drilling!

Really? Do you have any idea just how little oil America has relative to other nations? Guess not. Even if America were to pump at full potential, it cannot cause a massive shakeup of global oil prices.

It's obvious that Obama wants to turn America into a communist country (progressive liberal). I think he is the worst president in our country's history.

No. Read above post. Also, I'll be buying you a political dictionary, so that you won't mix up liberals and progressives with Communists. Goodness, are you so incredibly unable to distinguish them apart?

None of Obama's policies reflect the characteristics of a Communist ideology. The Reps themselves accuse Obama of Big Government policies, which is anathema to the whole Communist ideology which wants to tear down a government. Just because he favours the poor more, doesn't make him a Communist.

None? Really? Not a single one? Communist have larger governments and control most aspects of their people's lives. The distribution of wealth was a pretty big government move. Last I checked, if I worked hard to earn money, I don't want Obama to take it and give it to someone who is too lazy to go and get a job who will probably spend it on alochall and drugs. Now I do see what he is trying to do. He thinks it's s good way to help the poor who are just unfortunate but it does go against many american's beliefs.

Isn't it the same for you conservatives? Using underhand tactics to smear us too? So instead of talking mudslinging, let's look at the facts first.

Please! How much of mud is flug by the media to conservatives? All of it! Look, Obama said he did drugs and the only station who cared was FOX. Had Obama been a conservative, the media would eat him alive.
Then of corse you have the little people who just say what they say because "mommy said so" and proced to bad mouth everyone. I'm not saying that we are all nice and happy with the democrats, but the odds are very mug so stake against us.

Republicans and their war on Iraq! Of course we're going to blame Bush. He created a decade long mess that has caused trillions. I don't see why we can't blame him and the GOP. Don't shift the obvious blame on your shoulders.

Not much I can argue about this part, as when it was happening I was younger and I didn't really remeber much so forgive me if I dot remember everything perfectly.
The war was bound to happen. 9/11 anyone? What would you have done as president? Just let them get away with that?
And either you misquoted or you just ignored it. I asked if to solve the debt, would you not have to stop spending?
And nicho, I don't know you too well, but I didn't think you were American. Sorry if I'm wrong.

The distribution of wealth was a pretty big government move. Last I checked, if I worked hard to earn money, I don't want Obama to take it and give it to someone who is too lazy to go and get a job who will probably spend it on alochall and drugs.

Nice misrepresentation you've got there.

Look, Obama said he did drugs and the only station who cared was FOX.

Someone doing drugs decades ago isn't what I would consider worthwhile news. And seriously Fox News? That would explain the previous bs.

The war was bound to happen. 9/11 anyone? What would you have done as president? Just let them get away with that?

9/11 was not a country attacking us but a terrorist sect. The dis-stabilization of the area was in part thanks to previous US intervention, largely done under republican offices. In short we created a mess in a backwater area of the world and that mess resulted in the terrorist that later attacked us. We then used that attack as an excuse to go back into that area and left us stuck in a pointless war that has done nothing but drain resources.

Someone doing drugs decades ago isn't what I would consider worthwhile news. And seriously Fox News? That would explain the previous bs.

Uhhh if the person is the president, and he says it's "cool" well I think we might have a slight problem.

9/11 was not a country attacking us but a terrorist sect. The dis-stabilization of the area was in part thanks to previous US intervention, largely done under republican offices. In short we created a mess in a backwater area of the world and that mess resulted in the terrorist that later attacked us. We then used that attack as an excuse to go back into that area and left us stuck in a pointless war that has done nothing but drain resources.

I know perfectly well what 9/11 is my friend. Granted bush was not the greatest president, but Obama no holly one either. That's what bothers me. Most of you lefties say, "oh, bush doomed us all but it's ok, Obama is out savior." and it's so annoying because he is not..... Not at all. And you blame bush and think that because you do that, everything will be fine but really it solves nothing and is very childish. Whos next? How about you blam George Washington beacse without him, these problems wouldn't be happening. Yeah go give that a shot and see all the good it does. Their is no point in arguing of bush's problems because it's already over.

Uhhh if the person is the president, and he says it's "cool" well I think we might have a slight problem.

Don't really see how that's a problem. It's also not like he's the first president who had done drugs in his past, he's just the first that I can recall to admitting to it flat out. It would be nice if politicians were just as honest in other respects.

I know perfectly well what 9/11 is my friend.

Based on your previous statement it sure didn't seem that way.

Granted bush was not the greatest president, but Obama no holly one either. That's what bothers me. Most of you lefties say, "oh, bush doomed us all but it's ok, Obama is out savior." and it's so annoying because he is not..... Not at all.

Nice generalization but I don't think that way. At best see him being treated as adequate, a far cry from savior.

And you blame bush and think that because you do that, everything will be fine but really it solves nothing and is very childish.

No I don't think that either. Most of the "Bush is to blame" comments tend to be reactionary to false claims about Obama, where Bush really was to blame. It has nothing to do with making it fine.

Their is no point in arguing of bush's problems because it's already over.

No it's not over, we are still having to deal with the repercussions from past administrations. Some of which go back even further than George Bush Jr.'s run. The fact is Obama was handed huge burdens to deal with as president and to be fair he really could have done a lot better job of it.

I would suggest that you stop getting your "facts" from Fox News.

Most of you lefties say, "oh, bush doomed us all but it's ok, Obama is out savior." and it's so annoying because he is not.....

Actually it's more like we're defending him against the idiot masses with baseless claims. I prefer Clinton.

How about you blam George Washington beacse without him, these problems wouldn't be happening.

Yes they would be, the revolution was inevitable.

Last I checked, if I worked hard to earn money, I don't want Obama to take it and give it to someone who is too lazy to go and get a job who will probably spend it on alochall and drugs.

That, for one, is not Communism. In Communism, everyone works unless you have a disability. That is fearmongering.

Now I do see what he is trying to do. He thinks it's s good way to help the poor who are just unfortunate but it does go against many american's beliefs.

Your right, helping people is bad for them. Let them deal with it themselves, they can handle it!

Granted bush was not the greatest president,

Understatement of the year goes to...

And you blame bush and think that because you do that, everything will be fine but really it solves nothing and is very childish.

Alright so basically you're telling me that the person before you takes no responsibility for their actions as long as they pass the problem to someone else in a political "Hot-Potato" game. Say I took your house for the night, if I light it on fire and give you the keys back to your house, then it's not my problem? It's your house now, shouldn't you take care of it?

Nice generalization but I don't think that way. At best see him being treated as adequate, a far cry from savior.

sorry, but when i said you so many times, I was not directly aiming at you. It was sort of a general term for librals. Sorry for confusions.

Don't really see how that's a problem. It's also not like he's the first president who had done drugs in his past, he's just the first that I can recall to admitting to it flat out. It would be nice if politicians were just as honest in other respects.

Honest? Right, well then we better President Palmer from 24 in here quick. Thats honest. Saying drugs are cool when your the president is a mistake. I dont care if other presidents have done it, he went out on air and said he drank and did drugs and said it was "cool". Great influence. If you do admit it, you say its bad and that you regret it.

I would suggest that you stop getting your "facts" from Fox News

Ha! I actually dont watch Fox that much. The only reason i do watch it is because of The Simpsons.
And like NBC news is the greatest in the world.

That, for one, is not Communism. In Communism, everyone works unless you have a disability. That is fearmongering.

Communism-a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
What did I say?
If you go far enough left, you get communism. But, none of you (not refering to any of you once again, but to the general liberal public)would ever admit that. Ever.
Liberal=bigger government
Conservative=smaller government
This can be good or bad depending on your views.

he really could have done a lot better job of it.

Yes! Thank you! Once again I bring up the point of his "money saving" problems. Sure, Bush may have dug a hole and threw Obama in it, but Obama proceeded to dig it deeper. He spent more money and thought it would make things better. Only recently has the great "change" come to a halt. Lets take a look at Europe for a second. Look at the crazy economy problems going on over their. Greece. Then take a look a one of the more stable countries, Germany. Whats the difference? Germany stopped spending money, while Greece thought that spending more money would fix everything. Now travel back to America and look whats happening. Now, when i say stop spending, I do understand that some things wont be paid for, but that doesnt me you go ahead and cut the military! Geez... of all the things to cut, he chose the military... *sigh* NASA is understandable, but not the military...
And rather recently, their have been some Obama/left media attacks on Romney that blew up in Obama`s face. Like the fact of the dog (why this is relevant to the election, ask Mr. Obama) that Obama said Romney put in its crate and tied it to the roof of his car. Meanwhile, Obama has a book where he admitted to eating dog. Well that was smart.

sorry, but when i said you so many times, I was not directly aiming at you. It was sort of a general term for librals. Sorry for confusions.

It's still a strawman.

Honest? Right, well then we better President Palmer from 24 in here quick. Thats honest. Saying drugs are cool when your the president is a mistake. I dont care if other presidents have done it, he went out on air and said he drank and did drugs and said it was "cool". Great influence. If you do admit it, you say its bad and that you regret it.

I am finding that his official stance on the matter is that we should continue this costly war on drugs and that it should be treated as a health problem. I have also found several clips of him stating that in his youth he used drugs liberally. Which given the two points I think is a bit hypocritical.
I'm not finding any quote to what you are stating though. Would you care to provide me with a clip?

Ha! I actually dont watch Fox that much. The only reason i do watch it is because of The Simpsons.
And like NBC news is the greatest in the world.

I apologize for the statement. I personally wouldn't trust any one news myself.

Liberal=bigger government
Conservative=smaller government
This can be good or bad depending on your views.

I personally find big or small government to be besides the point. What is requires is smart government. I think it's more important to focus on what the regulations are doing rather than how many there are.

Geez... of all the things to cut, he chose the military... *sigh* NASA is understandable, but not the military...

Actually I don't find that understandable at all. The military does make sense, given it's budget is incredible bloated. However given some peoples reliance on income from entering the military budget cuts if not done right can be problematic. However I don;t think it should be relied on in such a way. America's focus on military really should be reduced.

None? Really? Not a single one? Communist have larger governments and control most aspects of their people's lives. The distribution of wealth was a pretty big government move. Last I checked, if I worked hard to earn money, I don't want Obama to take it and give it to someone who is too lazy to go and get a job who will probably spend it on alochall and drugs. Now I do see what he is trying to do. He thinks it's s good way to help the poor who are just unfortunate but it does go against many american's beliefs.

No, read up on the Communist Manifesto and related works. A communist movement aims to achieve a classless, and minimal government state. Don't be an academic dud and quote falsehoods. No it doesn't go against an American's beliefs. In fact, it helps them attain the American dream. Not all of the taxes collected goes towards Social Security. In fact a large part goes towards the creation of jobs, which is part of the American beliefs, however nebulous that concept is.

Please! How much of mud is flug by the media to conservatives? All of it! Look, Obama said he did drugs and the only station who cared was FOX. Had Obama been a conservative, the media would eat him alive.
Then of corse you have the little people who just say what they say because "mommy said so" and proced to bad mouth everyone. I'm not saying that we are all nice and happy with the democrats, but the odds are very mug so stake against us.

Two words. Fox News.

Also, Reps HAVE also been in controversies. Bush abused drugs and alcohol. If you're going to lampoon the Dem president for doing drugs, let's do the same for the Reps.

Also, you can easily take out the word Democrats, and replace it with Republicans, because many Reps do the exact same thing. You might preach high morals, but mudslinging is not limited to just one side. Far from it.

The war was bound to happen. 9/11 anyone? What would you have done as president? Just let them get away with that?

9/11 and the Iraq war are two different things. When weapons inspectors announced that there were no nuclear missiles, Bush didn't pay heed to them. That's what's wrong. That's the problem I have with Reps, shifting the blame.

And either you misquoted or you just ignored it. I asked if to solve the debt, would you not have to stop spending?

I didn't see you ask. No, if you want to solve debt, you CAN do it by increasing spending. Supply side policies. Go and read some economics. Or a debate would be fruitless.

And nicho, I don't know you too well, but I didn't think you were American. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Does't mean I know less, given that I read American journals and newspapers regularly. Or are you pulling the race card here?

Why It's Dumb To Call Obama A Communist



Clue: He was lampooned by Reps for spending money to support big capitalist governments in his earlier years.

Communism-a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
What did I say?
If you go far enough left, you get communism. But, none of you (not refering to any of you once again, but to the general liberal public)would ever admit that. Ever.
Liberal=bigger government
Conservative=smaller government
This can be good or bad depending on your views.

Again, please do SOME READING. Marx proposed Communism will be fulfilled only in 5 stages, the last of which will be stateless Communism, i.e no government.


And I beg to differ. Everyone in America has been influenced one way or another by classical liberalism. The ''right'' in America is considered ''liberal'' in other nations.

Why It's Dumb To Call Obama A Communist

Socialism is slightly diffident than communism. I'm not saying he is a communist, I'm saying that some of his ideas could push us a little too close to the communist line.

Again, please do SOME READING. Marx proposed Communism will be fulfilled only in 5 stages, the last of which will be stateless Communism, i.e no government.

Do some reading? I'm not f***ing retarted. I basically just found the definition of communism, I don't care enough to look it up in detail. I know what communisum is. I have no dessire to waste more time looking up all of this "reading".
And think, name one large, sucsessful country that is run with no government. Exactly. When I say communism, I'm referring to the soviet union or china like government set ups. And I relize that I may have said Something a little confusing so let me re-phrase
Liberal- bigger national government
Conservative- more state power
To make nicho happy, this only works with America. I don't see how saying whats right here is left their is relevant to Obama, but whatever.

OK Mage, excuse me but doesn't it just seem like you are grasping at straws here? You are trying to tear apart posts, and using a Rather annoying Dominance technique. And please re-look up straw man, I think you have the wrong definition.

Anyway, first off 911 is not a war against a Country, true, but it was
A. Anti american
- It was a sect who believed that all americans are evil, and should be wiped off the face of the earth, in the fastest way possible. Good for Americans, not so much...

B. Anti Lives
-The bush thing is COMPLETELY over exagerated. Trilloin dollor debt?

True,

but to save countless American citizens, and the truth is, is that they (the sect, not the country's citezens) Did, in fact, have nukes, or at leased were trying to get nukes which is one of the reasons why we went to war in the first place. (USA Today newspaper: Source) Speaking for most americans, I Don't Think we would want to have new york Nuked!!!

C. Pro Terrorism
- Just ask yourself this question, What would have happened to the USA if we hadn't gone to war? The reason 911 happend is because they wanted us to cower behind the Ocean and have us stay out of their way, too keep us from figuring out their real plans.

If you recall in history, the same tactac was used for Pear Harbor. And since we have learned that if we had cowarded then, then Hitler would have focused on Europe, and then when that front was dominated, focus all power on USA: and with no allies to back us up. And he promised to share America with Japan!

We would have Had no allys left to help us.

See any Re-occurences in history? Really, Do you?

oh and Nicho,

Or are you pulling the race card here?

Not race, but just not American. Race has nothing (or shouldn't) have anything to do with it. Either you are human Or A very cool alien!

(If the latter, could I get your Autograph?)

Brought to you by Krill11