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I never once in my post not to share science, I stated not to share opinions if someone is unwilling. If you know someone is ignorant already, it can be assumed either you or someone else has figured that out either through experience in speaking with them or observing their behavior in a conversation.

I never said don't debate with people who have a different opinion of you. We are having a debate right now, we have conflicting points and interests.

What I said in my post was don't bother forcing your opinion or sharing knowledge to those who are ignorant of your ideals or information. The key word being ignorant. I didn't say, don't share your knowledge, don't share your opinion and keep yourself repressed, no my friend.

And as for the relationship of Christianity and Science in general, they are co existing because there is a growing level of tolerance for both. Yes, there is indeed those who wish to destroy either one, whether it be fundamentalists trying to sabotage the progress of scientific development (such as with the American space program during it's early years) to outright, blatant prejudice and mockery the religious have received. However, to state that the whole of both groups/communities are vying to destroy each other outright is stereotyping both groups under a hateful veil of animosity.

An example of tolerance, from Christianity, is how, while at first Christians were very intolerant of evolution and geographical study, the majority of the Christian community have come to accept it due to undeniable evidence.

Likewise, the Scientific community has actually researched the bible, had archeological investigations and there has been some yield to the Bible's stories and there is factual information presented by the book. Of course the interpretation and the style it was wrote in had elements of mythology or religious interpretation, but if you look at it from a scientific and logical view, do investigation, there is a degree of truth to the stories.

I never once in my post not to share science, I stated not to share opinions if someone is unwilling. If you know someone is ignorant already, it can be assumed either you or someone else has figured that out either through experience in speaking with them or observing their behavior in a conversation.

My point with that as well is, don't bother giving information to people who are ignorant of your ideals. If they choose to ignore your information, don't bother. If they want to learn they will listen. If they want to be left behind so be it.

I never said don't debate with people who have a different opinion of you. We are having a debate right now, we have conflicting points and interests.

What I said in my post was don't bother forcing your opinion or sharing knowledge to those who are ignorant of your ideals or information

The key word being ignorant. I didn't say, don't share your knowledge, don't share your opinion and keep yourself repressed, no my friend.

What I said in my post was don't bother forcing your opinion or sharing knowledge to those who are ignorant of your ideals or information

And as for the relationship of Christianity and Science in general, they are co existing because there is a growing level of tolerance for both.

Yes, there is indeed those who wish to destroy either one, whether it be fundamentalists trying to sabotage the progress of scientific development (such as with the American space program during it's early years) to outright, blatant prejudice and mockery the religious have received

However, to state that the whole of both groups/communities are vying to destroy each other outright is stereotyping both groups under a hateful veil of animosity

An example of tolerance, from Christianity, is how, while at first Christians were very intolerant of evolution and geographical study, the majority of the Christian community have come to accept it due to undeniable evidence.

Likewise, the Scientific community has actually researched the bible, had archeological investigations and there has been some yield to the Bible's stories and there is factual information presented by the book.

Of course the interpretation and the style it was wrote in had elements of mythology or religious interpretation, but if you look at it from a scientific and logical view, do investigation, there is a degree of truth to the stories.

My point with that as well is, don't bother giving information to people who are ignorant of your ideals. If they choose to ignore your information, don't bother. If they want to learn they will listen. If they want to be left behind so be it.

Should I be glad that they "Let" the truth past, even though their religion held it back many years and goes directly against it? Great tolerance of them.

Who are ignorant of your ideals. Your excluding parts of my statements.

As for examples of research going into the bible, excavations revealed the town of Jericho and other locations did exist. I didn't say the bible was totally accurate, I said it had a degree of truth to it.

There was also speculative investigation done where there was Hebrew groups in Egypt at one point. Not as slaves of course, but rather as mercenaries. These groups later left Egypt, pillaging as they went. If you look at the passages of Moses tactically, you will also see examples of military strategy. Moses, who according to the bible spent decades in the eastern deserts of Egypt bordering the Red Sea knew the land well. Taking the tribes there, he eluded the Egyptians, and knowing that at certain area's of the Sea of Reeds, there was tidal flush outs, shallow enough to cross.

And as for ignorant, the term, ignorant not only means without knowledge, it is also an action. To purposely ignore is an action to not pay attention, pay heed and most often not care about something, to neglect. I see people who almost preach to those who are ignorant on purpose.

You on the other hand are bending what I said to your own interpretation and in effect butchering what I said.

A better word for those who lack knowledge of a particular subject is uneducated. People who are not educated about a certain subject or lack information does not mean they are ignorant of it. If they weren't even aware of it in the first place how can someone ignore something? To ignore something you must be aware of it's existence.

As with the relationship of Christianity and the Scientific community, there is growing tolerance. I compared the acts of sabotage on a space program to extreme prejudice and mockery for a few reasons. When I say mockery and prejudice with each other, I do not mean mere insults. It can be as far as outright slandering of a person's credentials due to their background in faith to other more exclusive actions. Actions that can severely limit someone purely based on their background.

I'm aware of the repression the Catholic church has induced upon the Scientific community, as well as other religious groups and institutions. But should there be continued animosity and derailing hatred? No.

It will only hinder the progress and sustained survival of both groups. If the religious community wishes to cling to their old beliefs, and choose to ignore the progress of scientific knowledge, then so be it. If you reversed the tables, you wouldn't want the religious community forcing their ideals or belief system on you because you don't agree with it for your own reasons. (Which I assume is the lack of evidence and the contradictions that have been found with the said religions)

Both groups are co existing right now because they have no destroyed each other and probably won't. If they weren't coexisting they would be at open war and there would be a large majority from both groups destroying each others institutions, churches would be destroyed or re purposed, or research facilities would be demolished etc. Of course there is right now is a minority from both groups that do want to see the utter destruction of each other.

However lets take another example of two groups with contradicting idea's that coexisted. The Soviet Union and the United States of America. Of course the Soviet Union no longer exists, but it was of their own doing, not due to the other side destroying them. Both were in fear of a nuclear war. Both had contradicting socio/economic systems. Both were military superpowers. Even China can be included in this too, as they are (despite the capitalist reforms made to their economy) a largely socialist nation, and they still exist.
They both co existed, and while they did compete, they did do cooperative projects and operations. Most notably is the space race. At first they competed, but eventually, by the time te Americans landed on the moon they began to cooperate in the affairs of space exploration. Resources were shared, knowledge was shared and there was great cooperation from both groups.

My overall point is to you that sharing knowledge isn't bad. Its pressing knowledge, opinions and beliefs on the ignorant is pointless.

And as for ignorant, the term, ignorant not only means without knowledge, it is also an action. To purposely ignore is an action to not pay attention, pay heed and most often not care about something, to neglect. I see people who almost preach to those who are ignorant on purpose.